Kings on first level of a 20

Runner Runner · #1 03-03-2005, 06:44 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
Hero (t800)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t55, CO calls t55, 1 fold, SB calls t45, BB calls t40, UTG+2 calls t40.

Flop: (t272.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t111, UTG+2 calls t111, Hero calls t111, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t605.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks,UTG+2 is allin for 634, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t605.50

ZebraAss · #2 03-03-2005, 06:46 PM

Jack up that pre-flop bet (90-115 range). Jack up that flop bet (150-200 range).
Because you didnt...you are probabally beat(UTG+2's call was probabally a weak attempt to trap you)

ESPECIALLY raise more pre flop

wiggs73 · #3 03-03-2005, 06:49 PM

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Jack up that pre-flop bet (90-115 range). Jack up that flop bet (150-200 range).
Because you didnt...you are probabally beat.

ESPECIALLY raise more pre flop

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Agreed, I'd say raise 100-150 pre-flop and be prepared to push any flop that doesn't include an ace if you get a caller.

I don't like to mess around with hands like this early. I generally try raise such that I will get one caller and then end the hand when the flop comes.

EDIT: I play on pokerroom.com where we start with t1500, so I think that is why my raising size is a bit inflated, compared to what others are saying. With half the starting chips, a raise half the size I stated should work. So more in the 75-100 range.

Apathy · #4 03-03-2005, 06:53 PM

You can raise this a little more pf, but not to the extent that zebra is saying, I like 60 plus limpers at this level, so 75. Playing post flop is ok you know.

On the hand if you decide to call the flop bet after a bet and call you are saying you think you have the best hand, and that means you should raise, not call. if that is your read then raise to 350, and push the turn if called or fold to a reraise, depending.

I would probably fold here though on the flop, youve let 5 players into the pot there is a bet (probably a good 9) and a call (slowplayed trips or 10-8, for the draw) and players to act behind you.

Calling is the worst of your options.

curtains · #5 03-03-2005, 06:55 PM

I would definitely raise on the flop. Probably you have the best hand.

I would also not fold on the turn....too many idiots on partypoker. If they had a 7 they would often bet less than allin.

curtains · #6 03-03-2005, 06:57 PM

Also I would raise to 60-65 preflop, but 55 is fine. Of course it's not terrible to raise more (75-125 range due to the Partypoker low buyin idiot factor), but I don't think its necessary either.

applejuicekid · #7 03-04-2005, 01:00 AM

I would call.

I'd also raise the flop, but even if i didn't I would still call on the turn.

applejuicekid · #8 03-04-2005, 01:01 AM

I disagree with the previous posters I think your raise preflop is fine.

curtains · #9 03-04-2005, 01:07 AM

Hey I think it's fine too. I'd raise slightly more but obviously 5-10 chips doesnt make a big difference.

Unparagoned · #10 03-04-2005, 01:21 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
Hero (t800)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t55, CO calls t55, 1 fold, SB calls t45, BB calls t40, UTG+2 calls t40.

Flop: (t272.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t111, UTG+2 calls t111, Hero calls t111, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t605.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks,UTG+2 is allin for 634, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t605.50

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Pre-flop: I raise to 75. Mostly I do this because that is right around the point where I personally start folding small pockets, so I'm going to push out the tight players who will not pay me off on the flop with their missed pocket pair, but keep in the looser players who may well. As for the people who call with Ax, well, if you're calling 55 with A4, what's another 20 chips to you?

Flop: Wow, a bet and a call in front of me when I have KK on a flop that doesn't have an A. I am pushing here or at the very least raising to about 300 or so, fully intending to get the rest of the money in on the turn.

Turn: I'm still calling here and expecting him to turn over A9 or maybe TT. If he has me beat, oh well, I'm pretty sure I win this often enough to make up for those times.