Another annoying KK hand

[pokerstudAA]

No hand history so humor me....


Hero is BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Preflop: UTG limps, MP limps, SB completes, all others fold. Hero raises. 4 to the flop. 8 SB's

Flop. T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (dirty flop)

SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP 3-bets, SB folds, Hero.....? 14 SB's in the pot. Hero must throw in 2SB to call.

[DemonDeac]

id prolly call and then fold the turn with no help

[QTip]

Man that sucks...I don't think you can call that coming back to you for 2 bets not to mention it might get capped. It feels wierd, but I'd have to lay it down.

[einbert]

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id prolly call and then fold the turn with no help

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What exactly are you drawing to getting 7-1?

EDIT: With no reads this is a fold for me.

[mr pink]

if these guys are at all reasonable, i think it's an easy fold.

[billyjex]

Curse and fold.

[krishanleong]

caps, leads the turn and folds to a raise.

Krishan

[QTip]

Really? What's 3 betting here on a drawless board?

[crunchy1]

This is another good example of why I like checkraising the flop when I've raised PF and the flop comes with a paired board. It's already a big pot with 4 to the flop for 2 bets each and you're goal with a premium hand should be to win and win now - I think that with this board checkraising is the play.

First - if you check and it comes back to you with 2-bets cold (with no previously invested flop bet) I think it's a lot easier fold then when it's back 2 bets to you from a flop 3-bet and you've already invested a SB on the flop.

Second - I think you want to keep the pot small on hands like this and not give crazy backdoor draws odds to suck out on you - check raising when it's only one bet back to you will help fold out those. It will also alert you to the T if it's out there as it's likely the only hand that will 3-bet your checkraise. If villian waits until the turn to raise your turn lead with his T (as long as he's not a tricky player) I think (because of your flop checkraise) it's a pretty easy fold here too.

My point here is that raising PF and then leading out on the flop is such a standard play that it's easy for players to mess with you on boards like this. It's easy for them to raise and 3-bet lower pairs, gutshot/backdoor draws when they always put you on two big cards and are certain you didn't catch a piece of that board. Showing them the ultimate strength play (the checkraise) puts you back in control of the hand - IMO.

[QTip]

I've got to think about that some....how many times are you will it be checked through on a board like this? I'd hate to see that happen.