K4s, lost in a few places

Spicymoose · #1 03-03-2005, 12:18 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Was it worth it to try to protect my shitty middle pair with 8 people in the hand? Should I have called the river? I just couldn't imagine having him beat, even though the pot was decently big.

brettbrettr · #2 03-03-2005, 12:19 AM

Why are you playing this hand?

Spicymoose · #3 03-03-2005, 12:21 AM

UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls

Not enough?

brettbrettr · #4 03-03-2005, 12:22 AM

I'd be concerned about the 2 to act behind me and the blinds, and having to call a raise.

eric5148 · #5 03-03-2005, 12:23 AM

Fold preflop. Postflop is fine.

eric5148 · #6 03-03-2005, 12:25 AM

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UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls

Not enough?

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I would need to be on the button to call, I don't care how many limpers. Unless it was such a loose passive game that I could be sure it wouldn't get raised behind me.

Spicymoose · #7 03-03-2005, 12:27 AM

Would you play this from the button? With how many limpers? What about from the cut off, with how many limpers? I was under the impression that Kxs is fine from late position, and since there were so many limpers, I decided I might be able to play it from my position. Is this that bad?

brettbrettr · #8 03-03-2005, 12:29 AM

I'd need the button, yes. And at least 3 limpers. Maybe others play it from the CO, but I don't.

ewile · #9 03-03-2005, 12:48 AM

(this type of hand gives me alot of trouble too so I'm going to take a shot then see what everyone else says).

First I'm not even playing this unless it's clearly going to be a large pot, and that was the case here.

I like the flop raise. You've got alot of outs. Any
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] two 4's and at least 2 Kings. SO I think that its a good value raise, and it thins the field.

But on the turn, your [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] outs are shot. So You have 4 clean outs. Is the 8 BB in the pot enough to call ? I'd say no. The fact that you didn't even get a free card is a bad sign no me. I don't think that MP2 is on a draw but MP1 could be. I'd probably fold the turn.