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Old 03-02-2005, 02:23 AM
SinCityGuy SinCityGuy is offline
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Default Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

Decent 5/10 game with a mix of weak-tight players and a few calling stations.

Folded to me in LMP, I raise with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Weak/tight CO calls, weak/tight BB calls.

Three to the flop for 6 SB's.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, I bet, both call.

Three to the turn for 6 BB's.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Check, bet, call, fold.

Heads up on the river for 8 BB's.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet.

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Old 03-02-2005, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

sure
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Old 03-02-2005, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

nice.
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Old 03-02-2005, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

What hands do you expect him to call with that you beat? What hands do you expect to fold that are better than yours?

If your hand was something like 2 pair or trips, I'd say this bet is fine. The 7d completes the flush draw and the Kd completes a strait draw and gives overcard a pair.

This is a situation where I'd check just b/c I dont think I'll get a call from any hand I beat.
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Old 03-02-2005, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

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This is a situation where I'd check just b/c I dont think I'll get a call from any hand I beat.

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Alot of hands that beat hero are folding here.
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Old 03-02-2005, 02:55 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

checking opens you up to a bluff b/c it screams that you don't have a diamond. check/calling the river here is worse than bet/folding by far.
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Old 03-02-2005, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

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This is a situation where I'd check just b/c I dont think I'll get a call from any hand I beat.

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Alot of hands that beat hero are folding here.

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Yah. Isn't that a big point of the theorem anyway?
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Old 03-02-2005, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

I disagree about Bet folding.

Why bet only to fold to a better hand if raised. What if hes bluffing? Only a better hand is calling here including 2 pair, set, and so forth.

So check and hope he bluffs. You lose the same bet. And BTW there is about 50/50 chance he has that suit. With a low card he checks anyways. bet into a 4 flush with no suit. Thats just dumb, your asking to get raised.
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Old 03-02-2005, 03:33 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

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I disagree about Bet folding.

Why bet only to fold to a better hand if raised. What if hes bluffing? Only a better hand is calling here including 2 pair, set, and so forth.

So check and hope he bluffs. You lose the same bet. And BTW there is about 50/50 chance he has that suit. With a low card he checks anyways. bet into a 4 flush with no suit. Thats just dumb, your asking to get raised.

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His read on his opponent is weak/tight. A weak/tight player is not going to bluff raise this river. He's not going to raise with 2 pair or a set, either. He will raise with a set (or with KK) plenty earlier in the hand if that's what he has, and he will not cold-call 2 preflop with KT. He will, however, fold a hand like AT (no diamond), JJ, or an underpair without a diamond. He may also fold a small made flush.

The whole point of the theorem is that there are very few players who will raise a 4-flush board without a flush. There are plenty more who will fold a hand like TP if bet into on that board. If you get raised, you can be pretty certain that your opponent has a high, made flush.
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Old 03-02-2005, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: Party 5/10, Clarkmeister Flush Theorem

I strongly disagree. No K or diamond is folding.

-Michael
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