Thank You, Ed Miller

gaming_mouse · #1 03-01-2005, 06:20 AM

For helping me avoid making a "good laydown" in a huge pot. This hand really brings your point home. Even when it happens only once in a while, hands like these make up for all the crying calls and more. And to think, for a second I actually considered folding....

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 caps, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (28 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (21.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

River: (25.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 29.50 BB

mack848 · #2 03-01-2005, 06:29 AM

Out of interest, what would you estimate the odds are that neither an UTG raiser, 3-bettor, capper or 3 other cold callers of the cap has a King?

AngryCola · #3 03-01-2005, 06:29 AM

I can't believe you even considered laying this down.
This is an easy call.

The action on the turn tells me a lot.
But even without that take on the situation, I would still call this fast and grumble about not being able to raise it.

jt1 · #4 03-01-2005, 06:32 AM

I shouldn't belittle you, but I can't help myself. If there's an easier call out there, I can't think of it.

gaming_mouse · #5 03-01-2005, 06:35 AM

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Out of interest, what would you estimate the odds are that neither an UTG raiser, 3-bettor, capper or 3 other cold callers of the cap has a King?

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In this case, the capper was a maniac who had previously capped (much to my dismay) another hand with J8o where I had AA and flopped 88T-- to fleece me of 6 BB postflop.

So it was the other 3 bettor and the coldcallers I was mostly worried about. Given that I had 2 aces, the odds of their holding a K go up substantially, because I've cut all the possible A-hands in half. I don't feel like doing the math right now, but I think it's safe to say I got real lucky.

gm

jt1 · #6 03-01-2005, 06:38 AM

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So it was the other 3 bettor and the coldcallers I was mostly worried about. Given that I had 2 aces, the odds of their holding a K go up substantially, because I've cut all the possible A-hands in half. I don't feel like doing the math right now, but I think it's safe to say I got real lucky.

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By lucky do you mean that you don't think that you had the odds to call, but made the call anyway and still won?

gaming_mouse · #7 03-01-2005, 06:38 AM

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If there's an easier call out there, I can't think of it.

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There needs to be a moratorium on "easiest" comments where it is clearly rhetorical but being passed of as literal. You want to know what the easiest call is? When the guy caps you on the river and you have the nuts.

With specific reads, I could imagine situations where the call I made was clearly wrong.

Besides, I only considered folding for a split second [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

gaming_mouse · #8 03-01-2005, 06:40 AM

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By lucky do you mean that you don't think that you had the odds to call, but made the call anyway and still won?

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No, I think I had the ODDS to call, but I also think I was a big underdog. It's just that the odds offered a good enough overlay to make up for my disadvantage. But if I played this hand over 10 times, I'd be lucky to win 2 of them -- still WAY more than enought to justify the call.

AngryCola · #9 03-01-2005, 06:43 AM

I don't understand why you believe there was a normal chance of your opponents holding a King after the turn action.

jt1 · #10 03-01-2005, 06:48 AM

I re-read your post and you must have been up against a bunch of medium to high pairs. MP1 must have been a maniac. The flop was such that it's unlikely anyone had a piece of it, so that just leaves the Kings which someone must have at least half the time. After all you'd think one of those callers on the flop is going for the king high flush, but actually upon further review those odds go down quite a bit. Even the dumbest of players lay down KQ when it is capped before it even gets to them. The only person who is likely to have a King is UTG, and I think you said he was a maniac...