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Old 02-27-2005, 04:30 AM
Mikey Mikey is offline
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Default All in from the BB to pick up pot.

TAJ MAHAL $300 +40 NL HE tournament.
Start with $5000 in chips
First level $25-50
Second Level $50 -100
3rd Level $ $100- $200 / $25 ante

3rd Level
Stack sizes are around $400 to $7000 around the table.

Blinds are $100 - $200 with a $25 ante.

4 people fold MP with a stack of around $3000 limps for $200.

Folded to Button who is loose preflop but passive postflop limps for $200, STack size is around $7000

The SB completes for $200, Stack size around $4000

I have around $5000 in chips.
I have K2o and go all in to pick up the pot.
Good play or is it too sophisticated?
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Old 02-27-2005, 04:52 AM
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

thats a grinder-esque play
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Old 02-27-2005, 04:58 AM
ZBTHorton ZBTHorton is offline
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

It's an aggressive sophisticated play.

I think it's a better play in one or two more rounds when you may pick up a few more chips.
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Old 02-27-2005, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

what does that mean?
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Old 02-27-2005, 05:44 AM
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

I'd rather do it with Q2 and bigger blinds in relation to your stack.
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Old 02-27-2005, 08:21 AM
AlwaysWrong AlwaysWrong is offline
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

I don't really see how this is sophisticated. Looks like a bluff, is a bluff, probably won't get called anyways. I don't mind it but as the others said I'd like to wait a level. K2o is also one of the worst hands to make this play with, though your cards are of secondary concern, obviously.
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:24 AM
kuro kuro is offline
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

I don't like it at all. You can accomplish the same thing by raising to 1K and then betting out on the flop if you get a caller without risking so many chips.
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Old 02-27-2005, 11:27 AM
ZootMurph ZootMurph is offline
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

Nice to get a few extra chips, but you are getting undeterminably large odds with a free look at the flop. Why give up those odds for a small take?

Anyway, my personal opinion is that I don't make plays from BB with limpers. Your implied odds are too large to screw with... you put nothing in with the chance to take ALL of someone's chips. Basically, you pass up an opportunity to make a lot of chips for a few chips.

Of course, Ben Franklin said "A chip in the stack is worth 2 in the pot", or something like that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-27-2005, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: All in from the BB to pick up pot.

K2o is a horrible trash hand. with 72o you are less likely to be dominated if called. I would want to make this play with a real hand so that you would likely be close to a coin flip if called. Two cards 10 or higher, a pair, or a suited connector of gapper would be good. Sometime like K8s would play much better allin.
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Old 02-27-2005, 05:23 PM
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Default Results and thoughts

when people limp, they don't have strong hands, when the blinds are $100-$200 and with a $25 ante, I think open limping is horrible, you are just asking for someone to take your money away.

I figured that when the button and SB limped here is a great chance to pick up the pot uncontested. I'm not playing my cards here, i'm playing everyone elses cards and the situation.

I feel that this is a great spot to pick up the pot uncontested and move on with the next hand. If you think about it, here is a chance that I could have picked up a monster from the BB and pushing all in because I don't want anyone to see a flop. Checking here I think is ok, but I feel pushing all in preflop with a chance to pick up this pot is a much better play by picking up all the dead money and this pays for my next few rounds and blinds.

Does this make sense??

the first limper called and button deliberated for about 30 seconds and counted out his chips and called the all in for about 70% of his stack with JTo, the SB folded.

I was pretty shocked to see he would call with that hand, but then again I was actually shocked to see that I was a favorite in the hand, but the play was made entirely not to get any calls and pick up this pot uncontested.
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