I don't fold KK preflop

TheWorstPlayer · #1 02-22-2005, 06:43 AM

Standard? Does anyone do anything differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($73.1)
BB ($98.15)
UTG ($24.5)
Hero ($26.8)
Button ($21.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($12.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($22.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero raises to $15.80 (All-in), SB calls $0.80.

River: ($38.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $38.30

thatpfunk · #2 02-22-2005, 06:55 AM

ya sure, push preflop. you get enough pocket pair and Ax-AK calls.

TheWorstPlayer · #3 02-22-2005, 06:57 AM

Really? Even with position?

kylma · #4 02-22-2005, 07:02 AM

The reason I would like to reraise is your stack size.. You are practically seeing the river no matter what flops.. He, on the other hand, could still (with you just calling preflop) get away with AK and that kind of hands if he decides to, on the flop.. By reraising you "force" him to call your flop bet, no matter what the flop is like, I think.

tbach24 · #5 02-22-2005, 09:08 AM

I like it, with him re-raising its either AK, AA-JJ (probably) and obviously he either has you drawing to two outs, or is drawing very slim. He won't go to the felt with AK, but might fire out another bullet on 4th street. Well played.

AncientPC · #6 02-22-2005, 11:43 AM

I don't mind how this was played, especially if SB is aggro post-flop.

DrPublo · #7 02-22-2005, 11:52 AM

All in on the flop. Stack size is perfect.

You win here, right?

The Doc

thatpfunk · #8 02-22-2005, 11:59 AM

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Really? Even with position?

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If you think you will get a call, of course. I don't dislike the way you played the hand, I just think it makes it much more simple to push preflop.

Also, lets pretend Villian has TT or JJ. I would estimate you will get called 50% of the time by random players holding those hands. If you decide to play cards there are 10-14 cards that potentially kill your action. I'm sure someone can figure the math on that. Add that with the random kooks who call with Ax and PP's, i think theres no need to get tricky.

I, of course, waver on this everytime its folded or I get shown AA, but I haven't encountered any evidence to make me think its necessary to mess around.

Edited to add last paragraph.

Ghazban · #9 02-22-2005, 12:06 PM

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Really? Even with position?

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If you think you will get a call, of course. I don't dislike the way you played the hand, I just think it makes it much more simple to push preflop.

Also, lets pretend Villian has TT or JJ. I would estimate you will get called 50% of the time by random players holding those hands. If you decide to play cards there are 10-14 cards that potentially kill your action. I'm sure someone can figure the math on that. Add that with the random kooks who call with Ax and PP's, i think theres no need to get tricky.

I, of course, waver on this everytime its folded or I get shown AA, but I haven't encountered any evidence to make me think its necessary to mess around.

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You have good points here. However, you'll lose hands like AJ and AQ that would've gone broke on a J-high or Q-high flop but won't call your preflop reraise. At these limits, however, playing KK fast preflop is very rarely a mistake.

thatpfunk · #10 02-22-2005, 12:10 PM

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You have good points here. However, you'll lose hands like AJ and AQ that would've gone broke on a J-high or Q-high flop but won't call your preflop reraise. At these limits, however, playing KK fast preflop is very rarely a mistake.

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Are we playing the same game [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ?

In all seriousness, I don't see alot of reraises with AJ. I see some with AQ. And those players are generally the type that will make this call.