20/40 hand

mmcd · #1 02-18-2005, 05:17 AM

Party Poker 20/40 Omaha/8 (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets... (intending to fold to a raise)

johnnybeef · #2 02-18-2005, 08:34 AM

preflop: my first instinct tells me to throw away this hand to a bet and a raise, but i noticed the limit we are at. at this limit it is likely that the co was trying to blind steal and/or buy the button , and the button was trying to pick off or rebluff. but that is hard to tell without being at the table for a few orbits. that being said your hand is marginal at best. all in all i think i go with my original instinct of folding. your edge is not that good, find a better situation.

flop: you missed it. totally. time to fold.

turn: middle two pair is usually not going to hold up if it is currently good, your low draw sucks. fold again.

river. well played.

Ironman · #3 02-18-2005, 10:06 AM

I've been lurking here for awhile and really appreciate everyone posting these hands so I can see what is going through peoples heads.

I really have a problem with you saying that you would fold your hand on the river for 1 bet.

That just can't be right even if the guy does have K K.

He might even have something like A 2 3 K...but you can't play in fear of that for 1 bet to win all 17 bets.

How often do you win this hand? I wouldn't even guess at the percentage, but it's got to be better than 1 in 17 times. Buzz would know for sure.

I like the bet on the river...good things happen when you bet.

Dave

thatpfunk · #4 02-18-2005, 11:07 AM

hes folding because villian can only raise with hands that beat him

#5 02-18-2005, 12:01 PM

My only comment is that I would have folded this hand after the flop without a second thought.

chaos · #6 02-18-2005, 01:55 PM

I would be inclined to fold preflop unless the raisers are very aggressive or I put them on a steal and a re-steal. If one of them also has A2 your hand does not have much value.

I would fold on the flop to even a single bet. You have only middle pair. There is only one low card. Even if you backdoor the low you may be splitting the low half of the pot. The object of the game is to scoop the pot. With this flop you have very little chance of scooping.

I don't know your thinking for raising on the turn. Were you hoping to drive out the third player? It seems unlikely that your tens-up is the best hand. You have not made your second nut low yet. Your raise ended up costing you two big bets and you didn't drop anyone.

On the river it might be better to check. You may get a player with A2 to bet his trips. You get to see the showdown for only one bet if you are beat and do not have to worry about a bluff raise stealing the pot.

Moneyline · #7 02-18-2005, 03:10 PM

Preflop: Considering the position of the raisers and the fact that you have a 4 to go with your A2 combo I would probably call as well. If these are tight lp raisers, however, I'm mucking.

Flop: I would check/fold here, and the decision wouldn't be close. Even against total maniacs with this sort of action middle pair with a backdoor low draw (that is probably only good for 1/4) is not strong enough to stay in with IMO.

Turn: I think there is some chance you might be best here for high, but the chance isn't great. Even if you are best you may only get half the pot. Because the pot is pretty big a raise may not be a bad idea if your opponents are likely to drop, but I would still rather fold, especially if they are not likely to fold. Once you are 3-bet you have to consider the fact that you may be drawing dead, despite the size of the pot I would fold my 4 out draw.

River: I would check/call here. I suspect you are beat here, but the pot is so big that I'd still want to call. Unless the button is the type of player to 3-bet with top 2 pair thinking it's a great hand, you are probably facing a bigger full house.

EDIT: I'm changing my mind about the river, I suspect a bet is slightly better. I think this would be a thin value bet, but it would have value nevertheless. I still suspect you are beat, but if you aren't it's better to collect bets than not.

mmcd · #8 02-18-2005, 05:22 PM

I think you guys are underestimating the level of agression in this game.

jayheaps · #9 02-18-2005, 05:39 PM

You have a hand that doesn't play that well multiway, especially in a raised pot. Plus you are playing it out of position.

On the flop you have to call 2 bets cold with a good draw to nothing.

Yes, Aggression is important, but you dont want to use it out of position with a low-only hand.

mmcd · #10 02-18-2005, 05:48 PM

What of the fact that my A-T could easliy be the best hand on the flop?

Also, my hand is way too good to fold preflop, especially given the positions of the raisers.

Hand's I've seen 3-bet in this game:

A457o, JJ76s, 3455, A36Qs, QQXXo...well, you get the idea.