QQ overcard on flop

mr pink · #1 02-17-2005, 12:50 AM

2/4 bodog

hero picks up Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in mp1

2 folds, utg+2 limps, i raise, folded to the bigblind a loose passive kinda fishy who calls.

3 to the flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.5 small bets)

big blind bets, utg+2 calls, hero raises or folds ???

utg+2 being in between messed me up here... heads up i'm thinking it's an easy call down right?

big up - jeff

Clarkmeister · #2 02-17-2005, 01:53 AM

Call and see the turn.

mr pink · #3 02-17-2005, 02:09 AM

clark,

whats my action on a blank turn if either these happens:

A) bb bets, utg+2 call, hero ????

B) bb bets, utg+2 folds, hero ????

should i be folding A and calling down B ??///??

Chris Daddy Cool · #4 02-17-2005, 02:20 AM

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big blind bets, utg+2 calls, hero raises or folds ???

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it concerns me that you don't consider calling as an option, cuz that woulda been my first choice.

what good does raising do? you might get 3-bet by a flush draw and that would suck something awful cuz it might cause you to fold the winner.

Clarkmeister · #5 02-17-2005, 02:21 AM

Depends how passive your loose passive BB is.

Lots of times you'll just call down, especially when the 3rd player in between you folds.

If the 3rd player calls, be more inclined to raise.

The thing is that more often than we tend to remember, the turn action goes check-check to you and you can bet your probable best hand.

mr pink · #6 02-17-2005, 02:29 AM

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it concerns me that you don't consider calling as an option

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you and me both...

heads up i would have just called him down. having someone in between kind of through me off though. i guess i kinda gave the bb's bet a little more credit cause he was betting into 2 players instead of just heads up. raising was obviously retarded so i folded, it felt really weak at the time though. thanks chris

big up - jeff

me454555 · #7 02-17-2005, 02:29 AM

Why not just toss it right there on the flop? Pot is small, theres 2 flush on the board and bb bet into you. He may be betting a K or a flushdraw w/an A. The other caller could have eitehr of those 2 holdings as well. I don't see how its profitable to see the turn here.

Clarkmeister · #8 02-17-2005, 02:48 AM

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Why not just toss it right there on the flop? Pot is small, theres 2 flush on the board and bb bet into you. He may be betting a K or a flushdraw w/an A. The other caller could have eitehr of those 2 holdings as well. I don't see how its profitable to see the turn here.

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Lots of people will take stabs at disjointed flops like this. You simply can't just go folding QQ because someone bet into a K53 flush draw board. It's not like there aren't times and players where you will fold on the turn here, there are, but you have position and should use it here to see what happens on the turn.

mr pink · #9 02-17-2005, 03:00 AM

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If the 3rd player calls, be more inclined to raise.

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clark,

i have an idea but i'm not sure i follow you on this... could you explain?

me454555 · #10 02-17-2005, 03:03 AM

If it was heads up I'd aggree that calling here is right. Does the presence of a caller change this at all for you?