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Old 02-16-2005, 04:48 PM
Fat Nicky Fat Nicky is offline
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Default AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

UTG+1 is a 2+2 poo-bah, although I don't think he know who I am.
No other reads as this is my 1st orbit at the table

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 caps</font>, Hero ?????

what's the plan??
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

I think you have to call the flop. You are getting something like 13:1 on your call and you do have top pair.

There are so many scenarios that could happen on the turn that it's hard to say what I would do. Maybe post the turn if you called the flop.....
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

I fold here. UTG+2's call-cap on the flop is pretty scary, and it looks like you're getting 13:1 for only backdoor outs.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

His call-cap could be as little as a flush draw. No way am I folding the flop getting 13-1.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

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His call-cap could be as little as a flush draw. No way am I folding the flop getting 13-1.

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Agreed. If I'm UTG+2, I'm playing a flush draw exactly like this on the flop. I probably wait until the turn for anything stronger.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

I guess put me in the call camp, but I'm very ready to fold the turn unimproved. UTG+1's play looks a lot like KQ. Raising in EP but just calling a 3-bet, and then playing top 2 fast.

With just 3 outs against KQ (2 outs if the Ac makes the other dude a flush) and drawing dead to a set, you can dump your one pair pretty soon.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

So I'm wondering how you guys figure its 13-1 when its two bets to the Hero? That in effect makes the odds 6.5-1 or am I missing something here?
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:24 PM
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So I'm wondering how you guys figure its 13-1 when its two bets to the Hero? That in effect makes the odds 6.5-1 or am I missing something here?

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You're missing that there are 26 bets in (or so) when he has to call 2. 26:2 = 13:1.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

as long as this wasnt me.....


peace

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Old 02-16-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: AK, TPTK - 4 way huge pot w/other 2+2er, lots of flop action....

You're tied to the pot now.
13:1 = Call it.
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