Weak laydown, or an easy fold? AA

[rohjoh]

Buy In is $55

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

SB (t499)
BB (T1450)
UTG (t825)
UTG+1 (t455)
MP1 (t1210)
MP2 (t1125)
MP3 (t1025)
CO (t1536)
Hero (t1885)


Preflop: Hero is Button and dealt AdAh
4 folds, MP1 and MP3 call, Hero bets t150. SB folds, BB call, MP1 and MP3 fold.

Flop: (t275) Ts, Qs, 6h (2 players)
Hero bets t250, BB calls t250.

Turn: (t425) Jc (2 players)
Hero bets t350 , BB raises t1075 (all in).

Hero folds

Final Pot: t1825

[RolldUp]

If the flop came qj6 and villan just called, you can usually put him on aj, kj, qj, k 10, 6's, j's, or q's (ks, or aq, kq would almost certainly raise you on the flop). Now with the turn coming a j, you only beat one of these possible hands-k 10, and really how likely is it that he called with that preflop? Fold.

[adanthar]

The fold is fine, but you bet too much on both streets. On the flop, either make it t200 or, if the caller is an idiot, you can think about an all in.

Giving him the wrong pot odds to draw to 'x' doesn't matter as much when he'll call the extra chips anyway and you feel forced to bet higher on the next street when a scary hits. You're just making his implied odds go up for no apparent reason. Keep these types of pots smaller (or overbet them).

[curtains]

Preflop raise is too small for my tastes. Just because you have AA doesnt mean that you automatically want to have 2 callers in a big pot with you. I see that they both folded for 100 more, but this is an anomoly
I'd raise to 200-250 preflop for sure. (And usually at least 225)

[MonkeeMan]

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The fold is fine, but you bet too much on both streets. On the flop, either make it t200 or, if the caller is an idiot, you can think about an all in.

Giving him the wrong pot odds to draw to 'x' doesn't matter as much when he'll call the extra chips anyway and you feel forced to bet higher on the next street when a scary hits. You're just making his implied odds go up for no apparent reason. Keep these types of pots smaller (or overbet them).

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How do his implied odds go up, because you're more married to the pot? It seems his pot odds go up and implied odds go down (or is it stay the same).

[adanthar]

Err, the pot sizes are all messed up in the original post. Disregard everything I said.

In theory, yes, BB's implied odds go up because when Hero feels compelled to bet the pot on the turn that bet is correspondingly much bigger.

[MonkeeMan]

Got it (I think). So the pot odds and implied odds are converging the more Hero bets.

[Jman28]

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Preflop raise is too small for my tastes. Just because you have AA doesnt mean that you automatically want to have 2 callers in a big pot with you. I see that they both folded for 100 more, but this is an anomoly
I'd raise to 200-250 preflop for sure. (And usually at least 225)

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I agree. There's a large enough pot that you can't risk letting everyone in. You do not want a multiway pot here.

-Jman28