ATo..many limpers...Top Pair...No resistance until river

spydog · #1 02-16-2005, 07:56 AM

BB is TAG.

I usually raise preflop with less than 3 limpers. With 3 limpers, I just called.

On the turn UTG+1 bet his last 4.50, so I raised.

Can anyone lay this river down?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 calls $4.50 (All-In), MP2 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (17.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB raises, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

spydog · #2 02-17-2005, 10:35 AM

bump

bakku · #3 02-17-2005, 10:36 AM

If BB is a TAG he's not c/r'ing the river into 3 players with a hand that you beat.

DMBFan23 · #4 02-17-2005, 10:43 AM

what do we put BB on? A3 seems possible, as does A4...I'd say something like 4x of spades, but you'd think he'd bet the flop with that and no PFR. if he has hero outkicked you'd think we would have heard of him by now, same if he had A5/A7/A2. I guess he could have a set, but you'd think he'd make his move on the turn with something like 55/22.

I agree that it's hard for hero to be good here. I think this is one of those things where our first instinct is "I'm screwed" but our second instinct is "I can't lay this down for 'one more bet', it's top pair" even though one more bet is a checkraise of the field against which we have virtually no chance. I'm guilty of it too sometimes.

Fat Nicky · #5 02-17-2005, 10:48 AM

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I agree that it's hard for hero to be good here. I think this is one of those things where our first instinct is "I'm screwed" but our second instinct is "I can't lay this down for 'one more bet', it's top pair" even though one more bet is a checkraise of the field against which we have virtually no chance. I'm guilty of it too sometimes.

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We are all guilty of calling for one bet in huge pots but look at it this way. Villain is a TAG so he must have some understanding of the game, he saw us raise the turn, and now he is raising us at the river. There is a 99% chance here that he beat one pair. I don't even think making this call getting over 20-1 is +EV

Nate tha' Great · #6 02-17-2005, 10:51 AM

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If BB is a TAG he's not c/r'ing the river into 3 players with a hand that you beat.

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Plus most of the money is tied up in a sidepot. You can't bluff someone who is all in. I don't think there's any way that you're good here.

chief444 · #7 02-17-2005, 10:58 AM

46s, non spades?

DMBFan23 · #8 02-17-2005, 10:59 AM

Nicky,

totally. I think somehow our mind is tricked into thinking the two bets are paid one at a time, and though they technically are, calling a single bet on the river is a totally different matter from calling a c/r in a multiway pot.

DMBFan23 · #9 02-17-2005, 11:00 AM

with the double gutter on the turn...nice....

bakku · #10 02-17-2005, 11:02 AM

I'm putting my money on 44