another live KQ hand

[The Goober]

Live 4-8 game - table is pretty loose, generally bad, and somewhat agressive. MP is sorta an idiot and SB seems reasonable, but on the loose-passive side.

I get K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in CO-1.
MP1 and MP2 limp, I raise, blinds and limpers call.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players, 10SB)
checked to MP2 who bets, I call, everyone calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players, 7 BB)
checked around

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB bets, everyone folds to me, I fold

This feels really weak, but at the time it felt like their were so many ways so many opponents could be stuck to this flop that raising as a bluff didn't make sense, but I had enoiugh to call with three sorta-clean J outs and 2ish (discounted) overcard outs.

Was it raise or fold on the flop?

[spydog]

I would raise this flop with 2 overcards + gutshot.

[The Goober]

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I would raise this flop with 2 overcards + gutshot.

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Yeah, normally I would play this very strongly, b/c I could have as many as 10 outs. In this case, though, so many of my outs seemed dirty and I could be drawing nearly dead on my overcard outs if someone has a T...

[Sadat X]

Raise the flop, bet the turn, check the the river if MP2 is still there with you.

[bakku]

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Raise the flop, bet the turn, check the the river if MP2 is still there with you.

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Betting the turn into 4 players with K high is bad

[kross]

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Raise the flop, bet the turn, check the the river if MP2 is still there with you.

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Betting the turn into 4 players with K high is bad

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If he raises the flop, at least two of those players likely drop out. And it will likely give him a free card, if he wants it. Now the question is, does he want to take it, or continue his aggression?

-- Kevin

[The Goober]

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If he raises the flop, at least two of those players likely drop out. And it will likely give him a free card, if he wants it. Now the question is, does he want to take it, or continue his aggression?

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Well, this was the sort of loose live game where the players behind me were only slightly less likely to call two bets than they were to call one. Although I do think that I would have been likely to get a free card on the turn. Given that, is a flop raise still the right play?

[Clarkmeister]

Perfectly played Goober.

[cold_cash]

I don't want to seem like I'm piling on after bakku and clark, but when you raise the flop w/ this board at an aggressive table against multiple opponents you're really sucking around to get 3-bet; which, as far as I'm concerned, licks nuts.