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Old 02-16-2005, 01:31 AM
shant shant is offline
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Default Raise the turn.

I usually respond like this to the hand I'm about to post, and maybe that's what I'm about to get, but this just felt like an overcall situation. I didn't get to raise the river as I planned, but I think the overcalls worked there as well.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (15.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (20.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 25.75 BB
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:34 AM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: Raise the turn.

I think that going for overcalls is a bad plan considering that there will be people with dead draws on the turn that will call any number of bets. Anyone with an 8 or hearts or spades is calling and you wan't their money now because you won't get it on the river if they miss.

Brad
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:42 AM
Derek in NYC Derek in NYC is offline
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Default Re: Raise the turn.

Interesting hand.

Given the size of this pot, I think you should raise it up and still get callers drawing at what they think are live flush draws (and to a lesser extent, str8 draws). Even overpairs find it hard to fold given the coordinated nature of the board, and the possibility you are on a semibluff. (They are of course afraid of trips, but you cant fold an overpair everytime there is a little action on a paired board.) In a smaller pot, I think going for overcalls would be right, but given the size of this pot on 4th street, you'll get callers all the way to the river. Jam the pot.
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:43 AM
shant shant is offline
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Default Re: Raise the turn.

I thought about the draws, but I thought that anyone with an overpair or overcards would fold because of the paired board. Was the amount of callers after me worthy of just calling?

I have to admit that now that I look at it, it feels wierd to not see a raise in there somewhere.
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