Why does everyone insist you can't fold Kings preflop?

[Bralynn]

I've heard it from every place I can think of. Forums, books, players, etc.

I just don't agree with it!

There are times when I'm at least 90% sure I'm against Aces preflop.

Situation such as:

-Playing at a 6 handed $100 NL table, cash game.
-Have played against my opponent for a couple hours and he is extremely tight.
-Has only shown high quality hands. We both have more than $100, such as $300-400.
-He is behind me in position. I raise, he reraises, I reraise, he goes all-in.

I've seen this situation many many times, and way more often than not, I'm correct. The other times, this player randomly decided to make a poor play like this with AKs or QQ, but it is by far more likely from my experience this player has AA.

I just think there are times when it's worth it to fold KK, yet I constantly hear from everywhere how you just can't do it.

[AngryCola]

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There are times when I'm at least 90% sure I'm against Aces preflop.

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You are going to make a lot of money at poker.

[Bralynn]

I already do, for the limits I play.

I'm not making this thread to 'brag', and I'm not saying that I always know when someone has aces, I'm saying there are 'times' when I'm 90% sure my opponent has Aces. Those are the times I'm speaking of, where I feel like folding Kings, IS acceptable.

[Iceman]

You can...but you have to be very sure of your opponent and the money has to be very deep.

[Pepsquad]

IMO, I don't hear too many people in these forums making the statement, "You can NEVER EVER fold K's pre-flop." However, you BETTER be right 90% of the time. Because that one time you find yourself staring at $350 in the pot, muck your KK and he flashes QQ or AK - that has probably just nullified the 7 previous times you patted yourself on the back for a great laydown. All I'm saying is, just be sure. FWIW, the situation you describe is about the only way I lay down KK, and even then it's borderline.

[AngryCola]

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However, you BETTER be right 90% of the time.

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I'm speculating that you would need to be right even more often than 90% of the time.

[theredpill5]

What about QQ ? Talking NL here small stakes , .25 /.50 NL full ring. I raised to $2 preflop in EP . I got reraised by the guy next to me that hasn't really done anything dumb since I had been sitting there in the last 25 minutes. I only play one table so I try to watch these players. He minimum raised my raise and I called with QQ . Flop is rags. I checked to him and he bet $6.50 or about the size of the pot. I folded. Correct play ? I had $50 and he had $30. Should I have just put him all-in since he only had $30 ? I need help with this because I'm finding QQ and JJ are the hardest hands for me to play since its hard to tell whether I'm beat sometimes.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

in my recollection i've folded KK exactly twice preflop in NL and he flashed AA both times.

but on the sme token i've been busted by AA when holding KK plenty of times too. it happens and despite my two folds that i did make, its not something i'm looking forward to doing everytime my kings get too much action.

[flub]

The saying is only correct in limit HE. In NL I think Doyle wrote something like the 3rd raise is as plain as newly fallen snow 'Aces'. Something like that anyway.

-flub

[Cerril]

I think that's Cloutier, not that it necessarily makes a difference. Against bad or highly aggressive players (neither of which he was referring to) it doesn't necessarily mean Aces no matter what the action is. Even if the raise and reraise are genuine, a subsequent all-in could be an idiot, and any callers might feel they're getting odds with speculative hands, or just want to be a part of a big pot.