kk and ace on the flop

meanjean · #1 02-15-2005, 04:41 PM

I don't know much about co but the button hasn't played too bad...first time I've seen him cold call a raise

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero does what?

meanjean · #2 02-15-2005, 04:42 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero folds.

River: (8 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: 
CO has 7c Qc (two pair, queens and tens).
Button has 9s Qs (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: CO wins 4 BB. Button wins 4 BB.

meep_42 · #3 02-15-2005, 04:43 PM

You gave this pot away.

-d

PokerBob · #4 02-15-2005, 04:47 PM

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I don't know much about co but the button hasn't played too bad...first time I've seen him cold call a raise

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero does what?

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Hero is glad button called, so he can confidently fold his KK. Oh yeah, Hero swears a little too. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

meanjean · #5 02-15-2005, 04:48 PM

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You gave this pot away.

-d

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So you keep betting out with an overcard and a pair on the board? I guess this is what I'm asking, go full tilt until you meet with resistance? If I bet out and get raised do I fold?

PokerBob · #6 02-15-2005, 04:50 PM

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I don't know much about co but the button hasn't played too bad...first time I've seen him cold call a raise

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero does what?

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Hero is glad button called, so he can confidently fold his KK. Oh yeah, Hero swears a little too. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

That said, bet the turn. If called, check fold the river.

PokerBob · #7 02-15-2005, 04:51 PM

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If I bet out and get raised do I fold?

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I do. Pot is small. If he is pimping you, good for him.

Massad · #8 02-15-2005, 04:59 PM

I would have fired at the pot one more time and would fold to a turn raise. However, your turn check isn't really that horrible, because the pot is not that big, but it's definately an invitation for a bluff. If the pot would be bigger the check is really bad, but in this spot and with you read, it didn't cost you much. It seems bad in retrospect, becuase your check costed you the pot but in reality it's less since you are beat here most of the time.

meep_42 · #9 02-15-2005, 05:02 PM

I agree that you're beat most of the time here, but I fire again, folding immediately to any raise. I may check/call the river to see the showdown for as cheap as possible, though.

-d

meanjean · #10 02-15-2005, 05:03 PM

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I would have fired at the pot one more time and would fold to a turn raise. However, your turn check isn't really that horrible, because the pot is not that big, but it's definately an invitation for a bluff. If the pot would be bigger the check is really bad, but in this spot and with you read, it didn't cost you much. It seems bad in retrospect, becuase your check costed you the pot but in reality it's less since you are beat here most of the time.

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That was my instinctive play...bet out. But I considered that I was behind most hands that would call a preflop raise and call with an ace on the board, the presence of the pair sealed my check and fold decision. Is this too whimpy?