3betting with 6-high.

SamIAm · #1 02-15-2005, 12:12 PM

UTG+1 is listed in PTracker as LA-P, and is a very bad player. Got lucky with a few flops, so has continued his loose rampage. MP1 is listed sLA-A. Not much of a read.

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Preflop: SamIAm is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 5 folds, SamIAm calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SamIAm checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 raises, SamIAm 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SamIAm bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, SamIAm calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (13.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SamIAm checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, SamIAm folds, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 17.70 BB

The preflop was a little loose with only 2 opponents. Too loose?

On the flop, I have the flush and the gutshot, as well as the runner-runner for the higher straight. Was this chip-spewing? Should I have just bet-out? Should I have abandoned the check-raise when it was raised?

I thought I had good fold potential when the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] came. Maybe this was just chip-spewing. If I was gonna do it again, I'd probably just check-call.

I liked my river play, since the only hand I was beating was 64 and 54. I put them on better hands than that...
-Sam

Aces McGee · #2 02-15-2005, 12:19 PM

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I thought I had good fold potential when the K came.

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Why? When you 3 bet the flop, you made it fairly clear that a card like the king of spades wasn't likely to help you.

-McGee

PokerBob · #3 02-15-2005, 12:33 PM

fold pf

pokerrookie · #4 02-15-2005, 12:34 PM

With only 2 others in the pot, I am not sure a call preflop is even correct.

I think the entire hand is chip spewing. My own opinion. Once in, maybe call down hoping for the flush/straight.

Best move - river fold.

StellarWind · #5 02-15-2005, 12:40 PM

I would probably bet the flop and hope UTG+1 raises with overcards in front of MP1. Then I can 3-bet if it gets heads up and push UTG+1 off the hand on the river when no one improves.

The checkraise is another way to semibluff and it could have worked well. MP1's raise is a big disappointment but you have enough pot equity to 3-bet for value against two players. Just be wary because a better flush draw someplace is very possible.

I don't like the turn bet. The king of second flush draw is a terrible card that pretty much ensures you have no bluff equity left.

Lost Wages · #6 02-15-2005, 12:44 PM

You played it fine. Preflop is too close to call IMO so call or fold. Flop is standard, with the likely flop bettor on your right.

The turn bet is a gamble. If you check, you probably give-up any chance of stealing the pot if you miss the river. If you bet, you risk being raised by AK.

Nicely played on the river [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Lost Wages

Michael Davis · #7 02-15-2005, 12:44 PM

I like this. I actually prefer to imagine that I'm never going to make my flush and how can I best get everyone to fold. I think snagging extra pots more than makes up for the value you get by playing a flush draw like a flush draw. Could be wrong though.

-Michael

Octopus · #8 02-15-2005, 12:47 PM

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The preflop was a little loose with only 2 opponents. Too loose?

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It is fine. You are getting 5-1 closing the action. Your pot equity is almost certainly higher than that and you are unlikely to get trapped with a second best hand. Also, your relative position is good. (On the other hand, it is a drawing hand with a possibly aggressive player on your right. I certainly don't hate folding here.)

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On the flop, I have the flush and the gutshot, as well as the runner-runner for the higher straight. Was this chip-spewing? Should I have just bet-out? Should I have abandoned the check-raise when it was raised?

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At first I thought this was over the top, but the 3-bet is probably for value (assuming they both call). (e.g. Against pocket aces including the club for one, and any two broadway for the other, we win 42.6% of the time from here. Even if someone has a flush draw, as long as the other doesn't have a pair, we are only a little below 32% to win.)

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I thought I had good fold potential when the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] came. Maybe this was just chip-spewing. If I was gonna do it again, I'd probably just check-call.

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I doubt you have fold potential, and check/3-bet the flop, then check the turn is a little strange to say the least. You might even confuse them into checking it through. I agree that check-call is better here.

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I liked my river play, since the only hand I was beating was 64 and 54. I put them on better hands than that...

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Hard to argue with that.

sfwusc · #9 02-15-2005, 12:51 PM

I dont like the turn. I guess the PF, but it is iffy.

Otherwise standard.

SWUSC

chief444 · #10 02-15-2005, 01:01 PM

I like it. At first it seemed overagressive and I really didn't like the turn bet thinking you really don't seem to have any fold equity here. But after they both call the flop it certainly seems as if you'll be putting in 1 bet on the turn regardless and betting out after the 3-bet does have some advantage. And I do like the flop check/3-bet.