middle game blind steal situations

[dfscott]

These hands happened consecutively and I'm wondering about

a) my play on the first one,
b) BB's play on the second.

First Hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

CO (t775)
Hero (t805)
SB (t1150)
BB (t1820)
UTG (t1020)
MP1 (t1243)
MP2 (t1187)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, I go all-in, BB calls t705.

Is this too reckless? This looked like a good opportunity to steal, although not a very good hand to do it with.

2nd hand (after I got lucky and doubled-up)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

MP2 (t775)
Hero (t1660)
Button (t1100)
SB (t1015)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t1243)
MP1 (t1187)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1015 (all-in)</font>, BB calls t315 (practically all-in).

SB's and BB's hands in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has As Qc
BB has 7d Ah
</font>

I'm thinking that BB should've pushed or folded here after SB's initial raise. Also, should I have gone for the steal again? I felt like SB and BB might be too short-stacked to try it.

[GauchoFish]

you have to choose your path:

are you the guy who A: is willing steal w/ any two cards if he thinks he has a good chance of picking up the blinds (and also a fair shot at sucking out if he is called) or are you the guy who B: wants to play tight, wait for the nuts and pick off dumb mistakes (like going all in w/ 87o [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] )

I'd have done exactly what you did 85% of the time, i think it was the only move you had really...i have a feeling most 40%+ ITM/20%+ ROI players will agree, and most break even/losing players would disagree.

[curtains]

I guess I'm a losing player, because I wouldnt move allin with 87o there.

[tiltaholic]

i think the push on the button is reckless. in my limited experience w/sngs, i find the big stacks far more likely to defend against steal attempts...and clearly with 87o you don't want this. and, it's relatively early still.

i wouldn't have tried to steal in the second hand. primarily because you've just showed down 87o on the prior hand. you've lost "credibility" or "fold equity" or whatever it is actually called.

[david050173]

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I guess I'm a losing player, because I wouldnt move allin with 87o there.

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I agree. You stack is small enough that the blinds can call with some weaker than normal hands. Now if your cards were suited...

[Scuba Chuck]

First hand. Cards aside, tell me what you think the BB is thinking?

Do you think that just maybe he's thinking, well, "chump here is probably trying to blind steal. And my two face cards will probably hold up well against his garbage. And even if I'm wrong, I still have 1,000 chips left." "Besides, they're soooted."