JJ first hand $10+1

spentrent · #1 02-10-2005, 01:48 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

BB (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls t15, 3 folds, MP2 calls t15, MP3 raises to t30, 2 folds, SB calls t20, 1 fold, Hero calls t15, MP2 calls t15.

Flop: (t132.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t100, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t100, SB folds.

Turn: (t332.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t200, MP3 calls t200.

River: (t732.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP3 calls t100.

Final Pot: t932.50

Very first hand. I put the villain on two big cards... and a flush draw after that flop action. Is the river bet -EV? Will it only be called by a bigger pair?

lorinda · #2 02-10-2005, 02:02 PM

Is the river bet -EV?

What do you do if he pushes all-in?

Giving him the option back for such a small potential gain is the worst part of the bet, not that he might not have the range to call when behind.

Edit: I suck, I thought he had already checked.

Lori

Scuba Chuck · #3 02-10-2005, 02:07 PM

With the call on the river, I don't have a clue on what he might have? I think your river bet was OK. I assume you were expecting a fold or a push as a result. Damn, what does a call mean? Did he have pocket 7s or something? Perhaps he had a pocket pair higher than 6s, and he assumed you were betting into the flush draw, thus the call.

I hope it wasn't 78 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]'s

What did he have?

spentrent · #4 02-10-2005, 02:10 PM

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Giving him the option back for such a small potential gain is the worst part of the bet, not that he might not have the range to call when behind.

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So you consider this a check/fold situation? Should I have opted for check/fold on the turn?

Honestly, I was ready to fold to a river raise. I'm sure that would have done loads for my table image.

lorinda · #5 02-10-2005, 02:11 PM

The river bet is fine.

He may make a bigger bet than you want to call, so betting like this should prevent him from pushing without the goods here and keep any losses to a minimum.

I smell queens from the tone of the post, but I suspect any pair calls you, so it's not a bad bet.

Lori

lorinda · #6 02-10-2005, 02:12 PM

So you consider this a check/fold situation? Should I have opted for check/fold on the turn?

See edit, and new reply above. I managed to not read two words in the correct order, from a total of two.
Impressive really when you think about it.

Lori

spentrent · #7 02-10-2005, 02:12 PM

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Edit: I suck, I thought he had already checked.

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How does this change your line? I still think I made a weak play after considering your pre-edit opinion.

EDIT: ERRR NEVERMIND, REPLYING TOO FAST!

spentrent · #8 02-10-2005, 02:21 PM

Lorinda smells correctly: QQ.

I can think of two ways to improve this hand:

1) Fold pre-flop (YUCK)
2) Slow down on the turn (YUCK)
3) Acquire the power of ESP (TASTY!)

lorinda · #9 02-10-2005, 02:25 PM

A good case of why 100 is a good bet here.

His hand is dubious enough that he doesn't want to raise you, but if you don't bet, he's likely to bet more than 100 and you're probably wise to call this more often than not.

You've cost yourself 100 chips, but you've got to the showdown that might have cost you 1000 chips or so had you not seen.

Lori

spentrent · #10 02-10-2005, 02:27 PM

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The river bet is fine.

He may make a bigger bet than you want to call, so betting like this should prevent him from pushing without the goods here and keep any losses to a minimum.

I smell queens from the tone of the post, but I suspect any pair calls you, so it's not a bad bet.

Lori

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Here's what I fear: a strong player could have read middle pair from my river bet and pushed all-in "knowing" that I would fold, having called with an AK flush draw (plus 6 more probable outs) all along.