Awkward TT against two aggros

DrPublo · #1 02-09-2005, 02:40 AM

Very frustrating hand with TT...the stack sizes appeared to be off on the flop for me to really do anything other than fold. At the time of the hand, Aggro1 had a high VPIP (like 40ish) over close to 50 hands and a postflop aggression number of around 3, and Aggro2 is 57/29 after about 100 hands, with a postflop aggression number of 5.69 (yowsers!).

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG : (Aggro1) ($48)
UTG+1 ($74.55)
UTG+2 : (Aggro2) ($64.35)
MP1 ($66.25)
MP2 ($16.5)
MP3 ($164.45)
CO ($50.75)
Button ($36)
Hero ($62.15)
BB ($43)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
Aggro1 calls $1, 1 fold, Aggro2 raises to $3, 5 folds, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2, Aggro1 calls $2.

Flop: ($12) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Aggro1 bets $5, Aggro2 raises to $15, Hero folds, BB folds, Aggro1 calls $10.

Turn: ($42) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Aggro1 checks, Aggro2 bets $15, Aggro1 folds.

Final Pot: $57

I thought about just calling the flop and pushing the turn to represent a set, but too many cards I don't want to see on the turn (A,K,Q,J, diamond) which meant if I wanted to continue I must raise, and yet pushing here with only TT into a bettor and a raiser didn't seem like the right play either.

Is there a better line? Lead the flop? I doubt I'm ever getting a better overpair to fold in this spot and Aggro2 seems like the type to play TT-AA this strong.

The Doc

steaknshake925 · #2 02-09-2005, 02:44 AM

Folding is good. If theyre that aggressive you can find better spots to bust them later. TT is still too marginal to play against a bet & reraise.

Kaz The Original · #3 02-09-2005, 04:03 AM

Push the flop. There's alot of money, you're ahead a fair amount of the time here, and A9, K9 will probably call you.

TheWorstPlayer · #4 02-09-2005, 04:49 AM

Come on, there is no way hero is ahead here. There must be a set, two pair, a higher overpair, or two of the above.

soah · #5 02-09-2005, 05:17 AM

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Come on, there is no way hero is ahead here. There must be a set, two pair, a higher overpair, or two of the above.

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Why can't Hero be ahead of two clowns that play every other hand they are dealt and play them aggressively?

DrPublo · #6 02-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Let's say I push. Isn't this a situation where I'm only called by a better hand? ie AK never calls, but sets and JJ+ do (because they're aggro and won't lay down JJ here).

How should this affect my play of the hand?

The Doc

Wayfare · #7 02-09-2005, 05:18 PM

At money-committal time, you know little-to-nothing about the opponent's hand other than he has bet and been raised. This is a swift fold in my camp. Although, as stated before, you probably play better than me.

BTW, bad players get good hands too. The sideways benefit of being super agro is that players will be "forced" to give you action on your monsters because of your previous agressive behavior. I do not think this is one the situations where you want to risk your stack.

SeattleJake · #8 02-09-2005, 05:45 PM

Whereas I agree with the fold after a raise/re-raise, I'd've lead out on the flop with a pot sized bet. It's the kind of flop you're really looking for with TT (except a set of course). They both probably had two overcards or a flush draw. You want to win it right there.

Wayfare · #9 02-09-2005, 07:10 PM

You'd probably have to expect to take it down ~50% of the time to make a pot sized bet profitable there. Do you think that will happen?

TheWorstPlayer · #10 02-09-2005, 09:27 PM

More likely you will get raised and still won't know where you are but will be more pot committed. I think OP played it well. Now fold.