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Old 02-08-2005, 10:47 PM
Cory Neely Cory Neely is offline
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correct me if im wrong but somewhere in the back of the orignal super system there is a list of odds of being dealt 2 specific cards preflop. im a pretty smart guy and know that being dealt any 2 random cards out of a deck are the same as any 2 other random cards. what i want to know is why do the odds differ when he talks about getting pocket aces, kings, queens....? shouldnt they all be the same? if anyone needs clarification on what i am saying i will make the trip out to my car and get the book and quote the exact page and passage but currently i am too comfortable.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:56 PM
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Because once you've been dealt one ace, it's less likely that you'll be dealt a second ace as there are only three left in the deck.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:59 PM
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i took that in account but he says the odds of kings and queens and even 2's and such are different.
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:17 PM
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probability of being dealt xx (e.g. AA): 3/51
probability of being dealt xy (e.g. KJ): 48/51
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Old 02-09-2005, 03:20 AM
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Fortunately I have Super System v 1 and Super System v 2 within reach of my computer. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think the table you mean is probably Table 1 in the appendix on page 558 of my book. In it you see

The probability of being dealt a specific hand before the draw:

Aces 4.81%
Kings 3.13%

The reason for this is the game in question is 5 card draw WITH A JOKER. The Joker can be used as an Ace, or to complete a flush or straight. So a joker and a king is not a pair. A joker and an ace is a pair. That is the reason the probability is different.

If instead you mean the hold'em table (table 18 on page 572 of my printing) there he lists probabilities of certain hands preflop and has:

AA 0.45%
KK-JJ (combined) 1.36%
TT-66 (combined) 2.26%
55-22 (combined) 1.81%

And here the KK-JJ doesn't mean that the odds of a KK is 1.36% it means the odds of one of KK, QQ, or JJ combined is 1.36%. You can tell this as 1.36 = 3*0.45; 2.26 = 5*0.45; 1.81 = 4*0.45 (well approximately anyways).
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Old 02-09-2005, 04:04 AM
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Ah, no wonder the OP and I seemed to be talking past each other.

OP: grab the book next time!
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