My first posted hand.

kt421 · #1 02-07-2005, 03:50 AM

Well, this is my first hand posted here on 2+2, after much lurking and learning. I'm going to post two, actually, my best and worst hands (net) of tonight's session (thus far). I'm quite early into my foray into 2/4 after a few months at .5/1 and 1/2. Any comments are much appreciated.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, Button 3-bets, BB caps, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (28.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 folds, Button 3-bets, BB caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (22.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (30.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 42.25 BB

That one was, obviously, the best. I'm not sure there is much to say about the play (but if I'm wrong, please tell me), so what do you think the other guys had (BB is a maniac, in 90% of pots, pf raise 85%, but will fold to aggression back at him; button is loose but otherwise fairly solid)?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

SB in this pot is the same maniac from the first hand. This guy is 98% VPIP and 77% PFR over 50 hands tracked. I don't think I'm leaving the table until he does.

Schizo · #2 02-07-2005, 04:06 AM

Hand 1: fold PF, but rest is fine.

Hand 2: Fold flop, fold turn, fold river and that is not a hand you should be capping with PF. You played this hand horribly.

manpower · #3 02-07-2005, 04:22 AM

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Hand 1: fold PF, but rest is fine.

Hand 2: Fold flop, fold turn, fold river and that is not a hand you should be capping with PF. You played this hand horribly.

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I'm not so sure that's an easy fold in hand 1. There's already 3 limpers to him in mp with what appears to be a very loose table. If it there tends to be this much aggressing pf, then yeah it's an easy fold, but if it's unraised most of the time the I'd say it's a marginally profitable call.

In hand two, I don't think i'm capping pf with that limper coming along but capping isn't a horrible play against a 98% vpip player. That said, i'm not tremendously sure about what the best line post flop is against a guy like this.

rmarotti · #4 02-07-2005, 04:24 AM

Me thinks it's an easy fold when it's two cold back to Hero.

Too weak tight?

manpower · #5 02-07-2005, 04:31 AM

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Me thinks it's an easy fold when it's two cold back to Hero.

Too weak tight?

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I dunno, I think it's pretty damn close. It's probably an easier fold in a more normal situation, but keep in mind one of these guys is a complete maniac and the other limped in on the button after 5 limpers only to reraise the guy in the bb. What I'm saying is, it's not really that likely that there are any monsters out there. We can't put mr. maniac on anything really, and the button seems pretty unlikely to have Aces or Kings by his play. So yeah, I'm sticking with call pf.

Nottom · #6 02-07-2005, 09:38 AM

If somehow seeing the flop with QJo from MP for 4 bets is your best hand of the night, you have a lot to learn.

In hand 2, I don't see much reason for the preflop cap. Rest of the hand seems ok until the river. If you bet becasue you think that the BB will fold an A or baby pair after the LAG calls then it looks fine.

chief444 · #7 02-07-2005, 09:57 AM

Hand 1 the only question is preflop and I don't think it's horrible. But then I limp from CO or button with this and there is a poster. I'd still probably muck it from MP2 though.

Hand 2 I don't like the river bet. Other than that though it looks fine. With the read given I cap it preflop as well.

Chairman Wood · #8 02-07-2005, 10:10 AM

First, put your reads before your hand.
Hand 1:
The initial preflop call could be considered loose. However with the limpers in front of you on what appears to be a loose table I think it's fine. Sucks you got caught in a big melee there but I also think it's fine when you called two cold back to you. POT WAS HUGE!!!
Rest of the hand good.
Hand 2:
Put this dude in your buddy list.
Even against this nutcase you don't want to be capping here with this hand.
Flop is fine
Turn you might be able to find a fold in as your K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are tainted.
River: Why are you doing this? Why not check behind?

chief444 · #9 02-07-2005, 10:16 AM

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Even against this nutcase you don't want to be capping here with this hand.

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"This guy is 98% VPIP and 77% PFR"

KJs is pretty far ahead of the average hand this guy is raising/3-betting here. This cap would be very standard for me, especially with BB still in. Why is everyone saying it is bad?

sean c · #10 02-07-2005, 10:23 AM

Hand #2 I don't like the river cap and it is a flop fold but close and a turn fold for sure.