Follow through on semibluff from SB? 200 sng party

Jason Strasser · #1 01-26-2005, 06:25 PM

200 sng on party.

blinds 15/30. I get Q3o in SB. 2 limpers, sb folds I check. Flop JT9r. Checked around. Turn 9. I bet 65. First limper calls, second folds. River a blank 5.

I bet 175. Thoughts?

raptor517 · #2 01-26-2005, 06:28 PM

i think the pot is yours for 175. however, i woudlnt bother betting the turn. i dont like to get involved much at all early with marginal holdings. that being said, i like the bet on the river because i dont think he can call it unless he is quite strong.

Jason Strasser · #3 01-26-2005, 06:31 PM

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i dont like to get involved much at all early with marginal holdings.

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This argument is so used on this board and so incredibly wrong.

The once and future king · #4 01-26-2005, 06:41 PM

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This argument is so used on this board and so incredibly wrong.

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Why?.

adanthar · #5 01-26-2005, 06:46 PM

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This argument is so used on this board and so incredibly wrong.

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About time somebody else said that. I was getting bored so I stopped, but seriously, so goddamn wrong it isn't funny.

jah0550 · #6 01-26-2005, 06:47 PM

I like the play. It looks like you have three 9s. My guess is he probably had a queen or 8 looking for the straight. I might suspect that he is slowplaying a straight with KQ or 78, but since there was no raise PF, I'd say that your play was fine.

The once and future king · #7 01-26-2005, 06:53 PM

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About time somebody else said that. I was getting bored so I stopped, but seriously, so goddamn wrong it isn't funny.

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Please explain why. I am genuinely curious. Why play marginal hands early. Surely that is what the fish are doing and you are not doing. Later this situation is reversed.

I thought this was the essence of SNG play.

microbet · #8 01-26-2005, 07:07 PM

I don't know what I'm talking about, but I want to try and answer because being yelled at will be educational.

Playing tight early and loose later on is not a rule. It is just what usually should happen if you play well.

The more players at the table the better a hand has to be to be considered good. Therefore, non-bluffing starting hands (and continuing hands if several players see the flop) will have to be MUCH better in the beginning. Also, it is not worth throwing a very big bet at very small blinds and, especially in lower levels, a reasonable raise with small blinds doesn't have much fold equity.

The consequence of these facts is that you don't play many hands and you don't generally try and steal blinds early in the tourney.

However, once you have some money in the pot and you have a limited field, and you think it is likely that your opponant can put you on a superior hand, you can take a shot just like you might in a later round.

Jason Strasser · #9 01-26-2005, 07:16 PM

Im not suggesting to play tons of marginal hands, but I think that good sng players look for chances to play hands with bad players. Good players last longer than bad players. So saying to not play a hand because its early... Is silly.

Ship_it_tome · #10 01-26-2005, 07:53 PM

funny thing bout the fish, strassa 2, i play alot of hands, i dont encourage that to anybody, but i seem to know everyone at my level, and they are almost all bad. i played a tourney yesterday, i noticed he open pushed in levels 1-3 and i hopped on all of his tables. General rule of thumb is never to call open push that early, however, i seen this guy push with suited and unsuited connectors as low as 34. I played in 7 more tourneys with him and he busted me out of 6 of them when i was the favorite each time, calling with AK, AQ, KQ, 99, 88, and A10. i had him beat everyhand and still lost, big deal huh. i love the fish.