Why you see so much sucking out online

1. There are lots of bad players online.


2. Online games play extremely fast compared to live games.


Put away your conspiracy theories and your non-random deck theories. As a programmer myself, I know that most programmers are lazy and it would be much more difficult to write software that cheats than software that deals the cards randomly. Not to mention, an online site would be shooting itself in the foot.


I know from my own experience and from that of another aquaintance, that online poker is a virtual goldmine for a decent player. Hey, "Virtual Goldmine", that's not a bad name for an online casino! [img]/images/smile.gif[/img]

I agree with you, Tim. I would even like to add that there is even an art to "sucking out." I have had momments where good pot munipulation and using raises to get a free card can really look like you got lucky. Usually it is some other player doing it to me [img]/images/smile.gif[/img] .

"1. There are lots of bad players online.


2. Online games play extremely fast compared to live games."


Finally some fresh ideas on this topic.


"Put away your conspiracy theories and your non-random deck theories."


If you say so I guess I will. Sure, I don't know who you are or what you're basing this on; but you said you're a programmer and the internet poker involves computers so you must know what you're talking about.


"I know from my own experience and from that of another aquaintance, "


Ahhh, there's that proof I was looking for. You've done well, and so has some guy. Subject closed.

if that amount of research and that stunning a display of logic doesn't convince you, then what will? [img]/images/smile.gif[/img]

I play mostly at Party Poker, Pokerroom, and poker.com. I've also played a little at Paradise, UltimateBet, and Planet Poker, although I find those places a tad tougher than the first three, so I don't put in as many hours there.


I've played a total of about 80 hours online, which is equivalent to about 200 hours of live play in terms of number of hands. Enough to know that the games are plenty beatable and above-board. Is there some collusion going on? Probably can't be totally eliminated. But the recent posts that suggests cards are not randomly dealt are ludicrous.


P.S. I have no connection to any of these sites, other than that I play there. So I think I'm just about as objective as anyone can be.

if ((player_one == tight) && (player_two == fish))

{


bypass_random_preflop(player_one,AA,player_two,Q4) ;


deal_two_pair_flop(player_two);


deal_turn_blank();


deal_river_blank();

}


So the code above would need some tweaking, but it still could be done easier than most everyone thinks.


Risk vs. Reward.....

Still laughing.

bradleyT -


your example is pretty funny. i might remind you that "player_one == tight" and "player_two == fish" is a Hard Problem, capital H, capital P. ask the guys at the university of alberta what they think of opponent modeling.


for instance, i might remind you that the set of tight players and the set of fish have a non-empty intersection.


i think i'll go write down some pseudocode for the "solving all my problems" problem and use it to solve all my problems now.


good luck


the club

If player A = fish AND player B = professional poker player, THEN

For I = 1-100000000

RankplayerA'shand > RankplayerB'shand

Next I


It was a little crude but seemed to work properly. This stuff is child's play for the sophisticated programmer like myself.