HONOR , PROFESSIONALISM and MSSunshine

In the posting written by MS in re: to HighlandsClub yesterday, John wrote this:


"I feel that I have been down this road with PokerSpot, always awaiting for the BIG deal to go thru. I would have had none of my problems with PokerSpot, if one of the regulars at the time who were aware that no cashouts were being made had informed me of the problems with the site. "


What MS failed to mention is that he is the prop manager for HighlandsClub.


He failed not only to "inform the regulars" but also failed to inform the props that there was a problem with cashouts. He still collected time sheets, and made sure that the quite possible bogus-pay to the props were credited to the props accounts without even a warning to the props that they should only continue to prop at their own risk. As the manager of those who put their trust in him, he made no attempt to come clean with possible problems collecting not only gambling wins, but wages as well. He did nothing to protect the props time that could have been spent at other casinos where at least there is some chance of earning some money.


Time is money MS! John, you have been stealing our time for sure; whether or not Highlands has stolen the money or not is yet to be seen. You lied to us by omission. What were you trying to protect by not telling us the truth? Possibility exists that you were trying to protect your own interest at the expense of the props'. I have seen no integrity or professionalism on your part, just lies and self-serving actions.


After your posting, good luck furthering your career in management with any on-line card rooms, with having upper management trust you with any private information; good luck recruiting any props who will put their faith in your word, judgment, and the manner in which you approach problems. And you write your first posting under the guise of protecting the poker community. You are such a peice of work MS.

Unreal...thanks for the info (Cant even think of why I almost considered being a PROP at Highlands) This is very useful info.....Thanks so much!!!!


Now that I think about it.....When I first applied for the info for props at highlands and the info was sent.....I got bombarred with emails everyday for 2 weeks str8 about what my decision was going to be....LMAO is this proper behavior for the PROP industry?? lol Glad I went with my gut.....


And I thought MS SUNSHINE was a good guy?? LOL

I'm totally in shock!!!! [img]/images/wink.gif[/img]

Not surprised are you? Online roooms have many links to organized criminals.

UP TO THIS POINT I HAVE ADMIRED THE MS PERSONS AND HAVE STAUNCHLY DEFENDED THEM THINKING WHAT KIND OF SELFLESS PEOPLE THEY ARE... WILLING TO PUT IN EXTRA WORK AND SWEAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE INTERNET POKER COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE FOR US ALL. I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN CLOCKED IN THE HEAD! SCUMBAGS IS TOO NICE OF A WORD FOR THESE PEOPLE... CONARTISTS IS A BETTER TERM. NO CONSIOUNCE YOU MS SUNSHINES! OBVIOUS TO ME WHY YOU MOVED TO BUMBLEF*CK UTAH, TO RUN FROM THE PEOPLE YOU'VE SCAMMED, AND NOW YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET DOING THE SAME THING. BUILDING UP THE TRUST-- NOW YOUR COLORS ARE REALLY SHINING THROUGH, THAT WAS LOW AND DISGUSTING. I HOPE THE TWO OF YOU SKI INTO A TREE, AND YOU WON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET A FUNERAL BECAUSE ALL YOUR MONEY IS TIED UP INTO HIGHLANDS (LOL) THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT YOU TO INTO THE FIREPLACE!!!


JAIME

As you know, I was a Highlands prop also, and together with the others started on Feb. 18. I received three reasonably timely cashout payments in February and March and a fourth on April 15. This last was the first that was late, and the first that was not for the full amount requested. I informed MS immediately.


Four days later, on April 19, after corresponding with Highlands about the matter, and after obtaining assurances that all pending cashouts would be paid on April 30, MS informed all props of the problem with late cashouts and requested everyone's feedback. He specifically warned the props that "we are not certain that this is not a delaying tactic." There was a flurry of correspondence, none of which included the accusations you've made here, and a plan of action was agreed to. I kept all this correspondence.


Accordingly, your statements that he "failed to inform the props that there was a problem with cashouts," and that "[h]e still collected time sheets, and made sure that the quite possible bogus-pay to the props were credited to the props accounts without even a warning to the props that they should only continue to prop at their own risk" are demonstrably false.


Your failure to mention the pertinent facts is telling. I think readers will judge it a more egregious act of lying "by omission" than the false accusations you've made against MS.


It obviously has not occurred to you that MS, who is owed quite a bit more than any other prop (and they owe me $4K), has put himself at financial risk for the benefit of unkown others by making this issue public. A mercenary approach would have been to hope that the next promised date would be honored, in the hopes that unwitting players would deposit enough to allow him to get paid at least something. When I discussed this with MS, he expressed his discomfort at the prospect of others being victimized while he kept silent and possibly profited thereby. In light of this, your cheap, anonymous attack on him is both dishonest and remarkably undeserved.


Chris Alger

In defense of MSSunshine:


While I do wish that I had never gotten involved with Highlands, I do not blame MS.


As recently as one month ago I recieved a cashout with no problems. The first time (to my knowlege) that MS was aware of a prop having cashout problems was only two weeks ago. At the time it seemed that there was only going to be a slight delay, and that it could be an isolated incident.


There was a ten day period when all the Highlands props were aware of widespread cashout delays, and none of us wrote about it on the forum. We were promised that all cashouts would be fedexed by the end of the month, and chose to wait until that deadline before taking any action. If Highlands had met the deadline, it would not have been any slower than a standard Poker.com cashout.


In addition, there is still a chance that we will be paid, and our balances honored. MS is exploring our options, and attempting to get our money for us.


I do not blame MS, and feel he has handled the situation well. I would consider working with him again in the future.

Yes, I'm sorry for my part in this and have told my props this repeatly.


I'm in the same boat they are. As for withholding info, I was talking with different props daily as cashouts dragged out and letting them know what I did know. Some decided to stay, others wanted to wait, it was their choice.


At the beginning this just seemed a temporary problem, not what it became. I wished that I had not been persuded by Highland's management to wait after the last 10 day deadline.


As to props that had left the program, not knowing their cashout status and some of their tendencies for the dramatics, I did not feel keeping them informed of this situation was proper. Also, they seemed to no longer being playing on the site and had gotten all their money. Is this not the case? Or are you just grinding this axe to see how sharp you can get it?


As to when to go public, you seem to have most of the pertinent facts and could have had your say much earlier than this.


As a few of props left they were not replaced, by me, because I didn't want anyone else stuck in the cashout problems.


As to how Lesley and I handled ourselves during this we have nothing to be ashamed of. We did the best we knew how.


We hope this mess will be resolved soon.


Have a nice day.


MS Sunshine(MR)

Dear B**T, m*******s, or whoever the hell you are...you didn't sign your true name, but your flare for axe-grinding is unmistakable!


If you want to talk about honor, why didn't you mention that you (B**T) and your husband or partner (m*******s) both signed up for our team without letting us know that you knew each other? Why did you lie to us when asked if you knew each other? What were you trying to hide and who were you trying to scam?


For the record, both you and m*******s quit the team before there was even a hint of cashout problems, so it is extremely idiotic on your behalf to assume you know what we did or did not discuss with our prop team.


Our team has known for the last 2 weeks that they were playing with some risk, and those that continued to play did so with all of the information that we could provide. None of us thought that the problems were other than temporary.


For our part, we did suspect that there cashout problems by the middle of April, and while we did inform our team, no, we did not inform the public at large. To do so would have killed the site immediately, and as we were not sure their problems would not be solved equitably, we did not feel that was the right thing to do.


We are still not sure that the site will not pay, but after waiting for what we thought was an appropriate amount of time for them to solve things, we told the site we could no longer support them, AND would say so publicly. As you mentioned, we are the managers of the team. Perhaps you can understand then, that we also had some loyalty to the site not to expose their problems to the public before they had a REASONABLE chance to solve them. This is what we gave them, a reasonable chance. If that was wrong, so be it.


As for you, after the shenanigans between you and your partner, and the nasty e-mails you sent us, which you cc'd to Doyle Brunson, we absolutely had no inclination to inform you of anything.


In closing, you addressed your remarks to John, but I am his partner, and whatever he has done, he had my support. For those of you who so vocally responded to the original post, I would stongly suggest you consider the source of your information before you decide that WE are the ones with no honor.


Mrs. MS Sunshine

I have never scammed anyone in my life. I'm sure most places I have worked would be happy to have me, or my wife, back.


If I die skiing into a tree, somehow it was murder because it will not be an accident.


MS Sunshine