Book advice needed

AKhearts · #1 01-23-2005, 10:28 AM

I've read through most of the posts here in this section and have come across alot of posts saying that SSH and Advanced HoldEm are the best books to read. I have read Advanced HoldEm but am not too interested in reading SSH. I was hoping someone could give me some advice on some other books I could read as a Low-Mid Limit HoldEm player. Anything is appreciated.
AKHearts

BarronVangorToth · #2 01-23-2005, 10:40 AM

Unless you have some personal grudge against Ed Miller* and don't want him to get any royalties off your nickel, I have no idea why you wouldn't want to read Small Stakes Hold 'em as it is one of the most (if not THE most) revolutionary books out there for the low limit player. It's helped my 5/10 10/20 and 20/40 game immensely -- and I'm sure the same is true for thousands of others. Buy it. Read it. Then read it a bunch more times.

Make sure to also read The Theory of Poker and Hold 'em Poker (just because you already read Hold 'em Poker for Advanced Players does NOT mean you shouldn't also read this gem).

Barron Vangor Toth
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* In fact, EVEN if you have some hatred for the man, get over it -- his book will make you money, plain and simple, paying for itself time and time again EVERY session you play.

AKhearts · #3 01-23-2005, 10:46 AM

No hatred pal but that book is too loose for me. Just looking for an answer to my question. Thanks for the info on the other books. By the way who is Ed Miller anyway?
AKhearts

Niediam · #4 01-23-2005, 12:44 PM

Winning Low Limit Holdem by Lee Jones. You probably won't win all that much money but you will get to fold tons of hands. You will love it!

KenProspero · #5 01-23-2005, 01:01 PM

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You probably won't win all that much money but you will get to fold tons of hands. You will love it!

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Congratualtions -- I literally when into hysterics, spewing coffee all over my keyboard when I read this. (And this from someone who thinks more highly of WLLH than you do).

To the OP, you could also try Hilger's Internet Texas Hold'Em. But dont give up on SSH.

BarronVangorToth · #6 01-23-2005, 02:00 PM

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No hatred pal but that book is too loose for me. Just looking for an answer to my question. Thanks for the info on the other books. By the way who is Ed Miller anyway?
AKhearts

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Who is Ed Miller besides being the guy who wrote (co-wrote, to be precise, in whatever quantity he contributed vs. David and Mason who also have credit on the book, if you're looking for sheer name value) what I believe is one of the finest books ever written on poker for the limits most of us are playing.

As someone who owns and has read dozens and dozens of (horrible) poker books, I'm saying this as someone who hasn't just, I don't know, simply read a book or two.

Yes, he is a bit "looser" than most of the weak-tight advice you'll get. That's part of the problem with most books, and why I was a far worse player six months ago than I am today -- too much weak-tight.

Weak-tight worked five years ago. It doesn't anymore, not to any great success beyond "breaking even."

But, whatever, you're free to buy or not buy anything you want. Anyone who doesn't buy SSH is quite frankly only hurting themselves, no matter what they think to the contrary.

Barron Vangor Toth
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BarronVangorToth · #7 01-23-2005, 02:03 PM

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Winning Low Limit Holdem by Lee Jones. You probably won't win all that much money but you will get to fold tons of hands. You will love it!

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The newest version of this book is actually a lot better -- it still has some problems, but while the first edition was rife with them, the newer text is a solid book, if you can self-edit out the problems still contained therein.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

Kurwood Derby · #8 01-23-2005, 02:10 PM

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No hatred pal but that book is too loose for me. Just looking for an answer to my question. Thanks for the info on the other books. By the way who is Ed Miller anyway?
AKhearts

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Who is Ed Miller besides being the guy who wrote (co-wrote, to be precise, in whatever quantity he contributed vs. David and Mason who also have credit on the book, if you're looking for sheer name value) what I believe is one of the finest books ever written on poker for the limits most of us are playing.

As someone who owns and has read dozens and dozens of (horrible) poker books, I'm saying this as someone who hasn't just, I don't know, simply read a book or two.

Yes, he is a bit "looser" than most of the weak-tight advice you'll get. That's part of the problem with most books, and why I was a far worse player six months ago than I am today -- too much weak-tight.

Weak-tight worked five years ago. It doesn't anymore, not to any great success beyond "breaking even."

But, whatever, you're free to buy or not buy anything you want. Anyone who doesn't buy SSH is quite frankly only hurting themselves, no matter what they think to the contrary.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

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Now instead of being "weak-tight" all Ed Miller's acolytes are "strong-broke". But at least they have fun posting all their losing plays on 2+2.

cain06 · #9 01-23-2005, 02:10 PM

I agree with everyone out here, read SSHE - it will give you a much better insight into these typical loose/aggressive (idiotic) games. No knowledge is bad knowledge. Hilger's book is OK, but annoying to read because he has so much information on every page. TOP is a definite read. I like Brunson's Super System a lot and it is a great read for entertainment purposes as well.

BarronVangorToth · #10 01-23-2005, 03:22 PM

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Now instead of being "weak-tight" all Ed Miller's acolytes are "strong-broke". But at least they have fun posting all their losing plays on 2+2.

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I'm wondering where specifically you have found his advice to not work? I know from personal experience (my own and with friends of mine) that his advice works phenomenally not only in Las Vegas, but California, upstate New York, Mississippi, Connecticut, not to mention online at the various popular sites -- not only at various low limit (5/10 - 20/40) games, but at No Limit cash games as well.

Weak-tight advice is somewhat profitable (I played for years playing weak-tight ... I'm still far too weak-tight on occasion when I forget newer lessons on how the game has evolved), but it's not going to pay off big with all of this hyper-aggressive players that are literally playing everywhere that I've played in the last year.

However, absolutely, there could be parts of the country where it doesn't work. What state are you playing in where you have found his specific lessons to be not worth applying?

Barron Vangor Toth
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