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Old 01-14-2005, 01:35 AM
nebben nebben is offline
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Default Decent Push?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 (t1730)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 (t745)</font>
<font color="#C00000">CO (t315)</font>
Button (t530)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t730)</font>
BB (t1030)
UTG (t1330)
UTG+1 (t535)
UTG+2 (t370)
MP1 (t685)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t40</font>, BB folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t40, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t285 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t700 (All-In)</font>, MP3 calls t660.

Turn: (t1835) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t1835) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1835

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 8c 9h (two pair, eights and threes).
MP3 has As Ks (two pair, kings and threes).
CO has Ah Jd (one pair, threes).
Outcome: MP3 wins t1835. </font>
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Old 01-14-2005, 01:39 AM
bigredlemon bigredlemon is offline
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Default Re: Decent Push?

I'd fold. Sure you have top pair but you have a weak kicker. Someone could have a higher pocker pair. Although not likely, someone could also have the 3. It definetly looks like you've overplayed your hand, though it seems that so has everyone else at the table.
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:08 AM
Benholio Benholio is offline
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Default Re: Decent Push?

I generally like trying to isolate the shortstack desperation-looking moves, but this one is really borderline. It is too easy for you to be behind, and if you are, you likely are drawing to 2 outs.

What I am really not sure about, though, is betting 40 into the pot of 150 on the flop. What are you hoping to accomplish here?

Also, what level sng is this? I don't think I could come up with a worse way to play MP3 or CO's hand... Amazingly bad.
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: Decent Push?

Yeah, tag that guy up and follow him around. Hes bleeding off $ here.
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Old 01-14-2005, 10:34 AM
KJ o KJ o is offline
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Default Re: Decent Push?

(Hijacking the thread, but...)
...at what level can you really follow someone around on Party? It seems to me like both the $10 and $20 fill up way, way too fast to be able to do any meaningful table selection (not that it's needed either).

Do the $50 fill up slowly enough to allow some room to play based on opponents?
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Old 01-14-2005, 10:39 AM
codewarrior codewarrior is offline
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Default Re: Decent Push? (discussion of routine completion in the SB)

This push sucks given the paired board and your weak kicker. I find routinely completing in the early stages with mediocre to weak holdings get you involved in crappy hands more often than you flop a sneaky monster to slow play to be worthwhile at low buy-ins. Opinions?
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Old 01-14-2005, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Decent Push? (discussion of routine completion in the SB)

I agree. I complete all the time, find myself in difficult spots all the time and constantly curse myself.

For me personally (playing low limits at Party in an extremely ABC way), this is the only spot that gives me a headache on a regular basis. Avoid it.
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Old 01-14-2005, 11:49 AM
codewarrior codewarrior is offline
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Default Re: Decent Push? (discussion of routine completion in the SB)

FWIW, if you also play limit ring, stopping routinely completeing in the SB can significantly assist in turning you from a loser to a winner if you are almost a winning player but aren't quite there yet.

IMHO, of course. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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