Was this a stupid call?

1C5 · #1 01-12-2005, 10:54 AM

Not sure, please advise. I was chip leader, 5 players left, decent hand but good enough to call a 800 raise at this point in the game?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t2200)
SB (t1410)
BB (t1730)
UTG (t985)
MP (t1675)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t700, MP folds, Hero raises to t1200, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t285 (All-In).

Flop: (t2485) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2485) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2485) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2485

ColdestCall · #2 01-12-2005, 11:06 AM

It would depend a little on your read of UTG, if you had one. UTG is short stack and about to blind off 30% or so of his stack. Most players will loosen up their raising standards considerably in this situation (although it is a little curious that he raised to 700 instead of pushing), and AQ is a pretty good hand 5 handed. Unless you read UTG for the type of player who has just been waiting for a monster to raise, and finally hit one, I would push. In fact, I would almost always push in this situation - the number of times you will be shown A-J or lower will compensate you for the times you are shown AA, KK, QQ, or AK.

DblDownTrent · #3 01-12-2005, 11:11 AM

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It would depend a little on your read of UTG, if you had one. UTG is short stack and about to blind off 30% or so of his stack. Most players will loosen up their raising standards considerably in this situation (although it is a little curious that he raised to 700 instead of pushing), and AQ is a pretty good hand 5 handed. Unless you read UTG for the type of player who has just been waiting for a monster to raise, and finally hit one, I would push. In fact, I would almost always push in this situation - the number of times you will be shown A-J or lower will compensate you for the times you are shown AA, KK, QQ, or AK.

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I agree.

emil3000 · #4 01-12-2005, 11:32 AM

I don't think I would ever lay this down.

1C5 · #5 01-12-2005, 07:31 PM

For the night crowd, your thoughts?

ericlambi · #6 01-12-2005, 07:40 PM

If UTG had been playing very tight throughout, I might fold. Leaving those 285 chips when he's in the BB next hand is pretty fishy -- I think he wants a call.

Barring a read like that though, yeah I'd probably call and hope for a coinflip or better.

adanthar · #7 01-12-2005, 07:43 PM

I have this little rule: when somebody raises 50% or more of their short stack on the bubble, I look at my hand. If it has an A, K, or Q (or maybe a J, it depends), and the other card is the same as the first, or if one's an A and the other's a K, I call. Otherwise, I fold.

It's served me pretty well so far.

ericlambi · #8 01-12-2005, 07:45 PM

In simpler terms, you are only calling with AA KK QQ AK?

adanthar · #9 01-12-2005, 08:07 PM

Sometimes I also call jacks and tens, when the mood hits, but I'm not happy about either.

This is exploitable by a really good player but you're not in that situation or that SNG, so don't worry about it. Assuming those types of raises to always be a trap is much closer to right than wrong.

NegativeEV · #10 01-12-2005, 08:22 PM

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when somebody raises 50% or more of their short stack on the bubble, I look at my hand. If it has an A, K, or Q (or maybe a J, it depends), and the other card is the same as the first, or if one's an A and the other's a K, I call. Otherwise, I fold.

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This is exploitable by a really good player but you're not in that situation or that SNG, so don't worry about it. Assuming those types of raises to always be a trap is much closer to right than wrong.

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If short stack initially pushed rather than made this "trap" raise would you call/reraise (I'm confused by the 50% OR MORE of his stack in the first post). I would think reraising allin over a push from a shortstack here would have an expected overlay.

I guess I'm reading your posts to say that you would fold because SS's raise indicates a monster, but I assume (maybe incorrectly) that you would re-raise a push by SS.