2nd Step - comments please

midnight24 · #1 01-10-2005, 08:30 PM

Early in tourney, not much of a read on UTG. Folding really bothered me here but I still had a decent stack - Comments on the way i played this?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t130)
MP1 (t1120)
Hero (t1175)
MP3 (t860)
CO (t1690)
Button (t865)
SB (t1705)
BB (t1530)
UTG (t925)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t75, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t45.

Flop: (t195) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets t30, Hero raises to t150, UTG calls t120.

Turn: (t495) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets t225, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t720

grickey · #2 01-10-2005, 08:51 PM

I would not have raised from middle position with a limper here,but i don't think your fold is wrong.You still have plenty of chips and it's very early.I fold and wait for a better spot.

DemonDeac · #3 01-10-2005, 09:00 PM

you're gonna have to realize that AQ sucks in a full game(7 or more). it can lose too many times. easy fold for me

Marcotte · #4 01-10-2005, 09:00 PM

If Villain is a strong player, I'd be worried about laying the best hand down. Your raise on the flop screams "PLEASE NO MORE HEARTS!" so a perceptive player picks up some bluffing outs. That being said, if you really want to protect against the flush draw, I think you have to raise more (225-250).

In one of my books (probably TPFAP) the author mentions that top NL players sometimes wait until the turn to raise TPTK-like hands to make sure the flush/str8 card doesn't come. I'm not sure if this is a better play with big or small stacks though. Someone care to enlighten me?

david050173 · #5 01-10-2005, 09:46 PM

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If Villain is a strong player, I'd be worried about laying the best hand down. Your raise on the flop screams "PLEASE NO MORE HEARTS!" so a perceptive player picks up some bluffing outs. That being said, if you really want to protect against the flush draw, I think you have to raise more (225-250).

In one of my books (probably TPFAP) the author mentions that top NL players sometimes wait until the turn to raise TPTK-like hands to make sure the flush/str8 card doesn't come. I'm not sure if this is a better play with big or small stacks though. Someone care to enlighten me?

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You could do that but then you are giving them a free card and are not making money the 2/3s of the time the flush doesn't come. If the turn wasn't a heart, you could bet big and make them pay to see the last card.

I am not sure if raising another 50-100 chips is going to make a whole lot of difference.

Preflop I think either have to just call or bet more (100-120).

Texas Pete · #6 01-10-2005, 11:36 PM

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If Villain is a strong player, I'd be worried about laying the best hand down. Your raise on the flop screams "PLEASE NO MORE HEARTS!" so a perceptive player picks up some bluffing outs. That being said, if you really want to protect against the flush draw, I think you have to raise more (225-250).

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What a great observation. Another possibility is he's slow playing a set but he's all the sudden afraid of the flush. He could be ready to fold if his turn bet is challenged all-in.

scotty34 · #7 01-11-2005, 12:02 AM

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What a great observation. Another possibility is he's slow playing a set but he's all the sudden afraid of the flush. He could be ready to fold if his turn bet is challenged all-in.

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I don't know about that one. He made a substantial enough raise on the flop to suggest he already had a made hand. I would not put an opponent on a flush draw in this case, and would pay them off with my set in the rare occassion that he was on a draw.