here is a hand I still have not figured out.

barrem23 · #1 01-10-2005, 01:06 PM

This is a hand I had in a 10 person SNG. The blinds were at 15 and 30. We were still 10 people and no one had really taken any big pots.

I was the button and was delt AA. I raised to straight 100. Everyone folded except someone in mid-position, he just called. My read on him was that he was conservative. I would say that he was probably a TPP. I hadn't seen him bet at anything yet. He had called a few blinds and folded to the first bet. So the flop comes 6-5-5 rainbow. He is to act first and pushes all in. I was caught totaly off-gurard . I thought about it for a while and folded. I thought maybe he had 66, and this early in the tournament I decided to fold rather than be crippled if he had 66 or 55 or just a 5.

What do people think of this decision?

11t · #2 01-10-2005, 01:18 PM

I am typically a lurker but I simply must respond to your post. If I made this fold it would haunt me for the rest of my poker life.

Think about it, if he flopped the boat or quads do you really think he would push all in instantly? I do not think most players would make such a play.

Now think about the types of hands you think he would call your raise with and make this play, you have them all beat. I would put him on TT thru 88 and that he was simply attempting to protect what he felt was the best hand. I think it is almost impossible that he has a 5 in his hand as well, if he was a rock like you said how could he call your raise with a 5? If you had a read on him you made a terrible play.

While you did indeed avoid being crippled I think you did so at the expense of folding the winning hand.

Mons · #3 01-10-2005, 01:19 PM

This is a fine fold unless you have a better read. Smells like 66/55 but he may just be trying to make a play on you with a flop he knows you missed. However I don't think it's worth investing your stack to find out.

EDIT: I'm very weak/tight so 11t's advice is much better! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

barrem23 · #4 01-10-2005, 01:22 PM

I agree with you that he definatly did not have a 5, but a lot of players will call with a PP. Good point he may be been just trying to protect his hand. As I said I was caught totaly off-guard and never thought of that.

ricochet420 · #5 01-10-2005, 01:23 PM

Easy call with that read. Do you really think he'd call your raise with Ax or the like to flop trips? If so then easy fold. Other wise.....take his money.

El Maximo · #6 01-10-2005, 01:24 PM

I agree. That is a strange push for that flop. He either has a monster or is trying hard to push you off this hand. I would grit my teeth and call expecting to be ahead most of the time.

etgryphon · #7 01-10-2005, 01:26 PM

I think this is where you have to give credit to the guy for a great play...

This is one of those hands that it is tough to call with an overpair. The only time that I think that I would call would be later in when the blinds are bigger. But, if your read on this guy is correct then its a fold if you believe him to play good hands.

On the other hand...

If he did have 66, 55, or a lone 5 why wouldn't he extract the most from the preflop raiser (you) because you know that you would have bet out on the flop.

So this really comes down to whether you think that you missed your one chance or whether you play well enough to be able to fold AA on the button. If you're only shot at winning is playing AA then there need to be some improvement to you game.

You should have raised more preflop if there were limpers. Like (2x#ofLimpers + 3xBB) or so that puts the guy on a possible stronger holding.

Also, Does he have you covered or do you have him covered?

If it makes you feel better...I would have folded also...But I'm about 50% sure that he didn't have anything, but I'd be ok with that because the pot is too small.

-Gryph

betgo · #8 01-10-2005, 01:26 PM

If you thought he had a decent pocket pair, then you are way ahead. You have to call. In this situation, it is unlikley he would push with trips or a boat, so you are almost certainly way ahead.

Phil Van Sexton · #9 01-10-2005, 01:26 PM

I think the decision was awful.

He probably had 88 and wanted you to fold AK. If he checked, you are definately going to bet, so he figured he'd lead out and put you to the decision instead.

If he had 66, 55 or x5, why would he play the hand like this? The vast majority of players would check in this spot and let you dig your own grave. Others will bet out a small amount to confuse you. Very few will push.

The Yugoslavian · #10 01-10-2005, 01:32 PM

Yuck is what I think. If he really has 66, A5 or 55 do you think he's not going to slowplay here and just jam the pot? Frankly, those three hands I just mentioned aren't even all that likely here as he called a significant raise -- it's much more likely he has a mid pocket pair or even overcards and is overbetting the flop for no good reason.

I'm not folding here on any SNG level -- and I can't even think of an opponent I'd fold to here either. Sure when you're behind your drawing almost dead but it is *far* more likely you are the one who is significantly ahead.

Yugoslav