Cold Calling Preflop w/ A8 soooted

tripdad · #1 01-02-2005, 01:37 AM

as a general rule, i do not cold call preflop, especially with suited Aces. my PT numbers have me cold calling once every 220 hands (is that too much?). well, tonight, this hand comes up:

Limper #1 has VPIP% of 61%, Limper 2 is at 63%, PFR is 50% w/PFR% of just 6.25. coldcaller has VPIP of 69%, SB's is 29%, and BB's is 65%. (nice table [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

i made the call because i was so sure at least one blind would follow suit, and the limpers sure weren't going anywhere. DO YOU MAKE THE CALL? is this a special circumstance which makes it OK, or do you generally ALWAYS call here?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG (limper #1) calls, UTG+1 (limper #2) calls, UTG+2 (PFR) raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (Cold Caller #1) calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB (SB) calls, BB (BB) calls, UTG (limper #1) calls, UTG+1 (limper #2) calls.

Flop: (14 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, limper #1 checks, limper #2 checks, PFR bets, Cold Caller #1 raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds, limper #1 calls, limper #2 calls, PFR 3-bets, Cold Caller #1 caps, Hero calls, limper #1 calls, limper #2 folds, PFR calls.

Turn: (16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
limper #1 checks, PFR bets, Cold Caller #1 calls, Hero raises, limper #1 calls, PFR calls, Cold Caller #1 calls.

River: (24 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
limper #1 checks, PFR checks, Cold Caller #1 checks, Hero bets, limper #1 folds, PFR calls, Cold Caller #1 folds.

Final Pot: 26 BB

cheers!

tripdad · #2 01-02-2005, 11:38 AM

n/m

thirddan · #3 01-02-2005, 11:49 AM

I would muck this... even though the preflop raiser is quite loose his raise percentage is less than most players here, so you are most likely dominated. While this isn't as much of a problem since the pot will be multiway, i still muck here...

tripdad · #4 01-02-2005, 07:24 PM

i agree with you about there being a good chance of being dominated, but i can certainly dump this without 2-pair or better if there is a lot of interest should an Ace flop.

i'm not saying it's right to make the call(that is why i posted...to ask), just saying that i'm playing for a flush or some type of unlikely miracle flop.

cheers!

River2Pair · #5 01-02-2005, 09:46 PM

Its always fine to call, but better to raise, if you plan on flopping the nuts.

dr. klopek · #6 01-02-2005, 09:51 PM

Never CC drawing to "miracle" anything.

sthief09 · #7 01-02-2005, 10:23 PM

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the cold-call is standard...

xxxxx · #8 01-02-2005, 10:29 PM

I once cold called with ace ten soooted on the button. One of the limpers 3-bet which is exactly what I didn't want to see. The raiser had AJo and the 3-better had pocket queens so neither pair would win for me. I flopped a pair of tens on the flop and a flush draw on the turn so i wound up going all the way.

dr. klopek · #9 01-02-2005, 10:35 PM

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Never CC drawing to "miracle" anything.

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the cold-call is standard...

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I read this and ran upstairs to talk to balkii, I stand corrected. I have been losing money.

tripdad · #10 01-03-2005, 04:20 PM

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Never CC drawing to "miracle" anything.

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the cold-call is standard...

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please say why this is standard, as i do not want to start doing it only to find out later it is a big leak.

i honestly had my mouse over the fold button, then thought about it a bit before deciding to make the call. also, what if i am holding 78s or some other suited connectors? would it be correct to call in that situation?

cheers!