Tell me again why this is horrid.

JerseyTom · #1 12-23-2004, 06:37 PM

Explain it to me like I'm a 5-year-old, please...

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Preflop: JerseyTom is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
JerseyTom raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, JerseyTom caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, JerseyTom raises, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, SB 3-bets, JerseyTom folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

DataMiner · #2 12-23-2004, 06:47 PM

You're drawing to two outs at best. You have no backdoor draws. You're getting 25:1 to call the 3-bet, but even if you hit, you may be losing to a set of aces. And you may only have one out if he has AK. Folding is fine.

JerseyTom · #3 12-23-2004, 06:52 PM

OK, thanks Miner. I'll sleep better now...

JoshuaD · #4 12-23-2004, 07:24 PM

Huh.

Don't be afraid of a set of aces. You've got the odds to call and hit your kings, call. There's always the chance an overzealous QQ or JJ check behind you on the turn.

Check/fold the turn UI.

JEM7VSBL · #5 12-23-2004, 07:34 PM

folding to the 3bet here is fine. if SB holds any ace here, you're way behind. this is a case where you're raising for information, per se...

TripleH68 · #6 12-23-2004, 07:48 PM

You are getting 25:1 to call the flop 3-bet. The only hand you are drawing dead to is AA. Given the line you might could peel one off and fold the turn unimproved.

me454555 · #7 12-23-2004, 08:04 PM

Theres 26sbs in the pot and your drawing to 2 outs. This is an easy call on the flop. Fold the turn if you don't improve but the pot is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY to big to toss your hand here.

Your drawing dead to only 1 hand, AA. Could sb be 3 beting you with AK? yes, AQs? possibly, AQo? maybe, AJs? outside chance but against all of them your drawing live. Against AK your drawing to 1 out but AQ and AJ make it profitable to at least call the flop.

mmbt0ne · #8 12-23-2004, 08:08 PM

Twice now I've read this. He's not drawing dead to AA. He would have to catch runner-runner K's, but that's a LOT better than drawing dead.

SCfuji · #9 12-23-2004, 08:20 PM

see the turn, fold unimproved.

me454555 · #10 12-23-2004, 08:29 PM

Was this post serious or joking? I know hes not drawing dead to AA but since the chances of catching running kings are 800:1 against, he's practically drawing dead.

On top of that, its going to be extremely expense when he hits one king but not the other that hes essentially drawing dead against AA b/c drawing against AA is a loosing proposition in the long run.