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Old 12-23-2004, 03:08 AM
cold_cash cold_cash is offline
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Default I\'ve been doing this a lot lately...

Semi-decent game with a couple soft spots. SB was a little too loose pre-flop and relatively aggressive. CO was new and I hadn't seen him/her before.

Party 2/4

I'm in the BB w/ K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Folded to the CO, who open limps.
Button folds.
SB completes.
I raise.
Both call.

Flop 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 small bets) 3 players

SB checks, I bet, CO raises, SB folds, I call.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 big bets) 2 players

I check, CO bets, I call.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 big bets) 2 players

I bet.


I'm a bit perplexed as to what the proper turn play is here. I thought about a stop-and-go, but I guess I just didn't want to have to fold if he raised again, and calling down after being raised twice seems kind of weird.

Question: Whether you like this line or not, pretend that you played this hand exactly the same way and were raised on the river. What do you do against an unknown opponent?

Thanks.
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:28 AM
Grease Grease is offline
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Default Re: I\'ve been doing this a lot lately...

3-bet the flop. If he caps, I'd lead the turn, then make my decisions from there. I don't think you can back down this quickly. If the guy is really passive, I think you can safely bet/fold the turn, but bet/calling the flop is too weak, IMO.
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:46 AM
Azhrarn Azhrarn is offline
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Default Re: I\'ve been doing this a lot lately...

I think 3-betting the flop is the standard play here. He's more likely to have a ten, a lower pocket pair, or a straight draw than an 8, and at low limits he'll probably call you down with his ten or pp.

Your line is good if he's capable of folding his ten or pp to your flop 3-bet/turn bet, or if he was bluffing. This seems less appropriate against an unknown at 2/4.

I only like the stop'n'go on the turn if I think there's a decent chance he'll check behind there. Or if I can fold to a raise, which I would not do here. Or maybe as an occasional change-up. It does provide a middle ground of aggression.

Finally, if I used your line and was raised on the river, I would curse and then call. I suspect you'll be shown JT or a bluff often enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe.
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:52 AM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: I\'ve been doing this a lot lately...

This is a super easy turn check/raise. It's not even close. Call the flop raise and c/r the turn HU is a great line.

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