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private joker · #1 12-21-2004, 06:58 PM

I forgot which thread it was where people were listing the Worst River Calls of all time. But here's a hand where my opponent made what may be the worst river call *of a 4-bet* of all time. When I checked the HH to see what he had, my jaw was on the floor for ten minutes. I couldn't get to my buddy list fast enough...

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB

Results below:
UTG has Jc Qh (one pair, tens).
Hero has Kh Kd (full house, kings full of tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.25 BB.

gaming_mouse · #2 12-21-2004, 09:21 PM

hey joker,

i see you playing online finally....

how do you like it?

looks like it's treating you well so far.

gm

sthief09 · #3 12-21-2004, 09:24 PM

failing to bet the flop is terrible

I thought you only play live?

MoDOH · #4 12-21-2004, 09:27 PM

Come on... give the guy credit. He did have the short straight...

uw_madtown · #5 12-21-2004, 09:27 PM

Bet the flop.

Swills · #6 12-21-2004, 09:28 PM

My only guess is maybe UTG thought he had a straight. I've done that a few times. Yeah, we all had a good laugh at the table when I turn my cards over and declare a straight and everyone looks at me like I'm retarded. But those were late nights and the casino was out of coffee. Can you believe it, out of coffee?!

gaming_mouse · #7 12-21-2004, 09:33 PM

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failing to bet the flop is terrible

I thought you only play live?

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You really think its terrible?

I think I might have bet to conceal my hand, but sometimes, especially w/ only 3 in, everyone folds out on the PF raiser when an A or K comes.

For that reason I think the slowplay is defensible -- it pretty much guarantees you get paid something, at least.

Or do you have different reasons?

gm

Swills · #8 12-21-2004, 09:36 PM

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failing to bet the flop is terrible

I thought you only play live?

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You really think its terrible?

I think I might have bet to conceal my hand, but sometimes, especially w/ only 3 in, everyone folds out on the PF raiser when an A or K comes.

For that reason I think the slowplay is defensible -- it pretty much guarantees you get paid something, at least.

Or do you have different reasons?

gm

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Good point. I'm sure at the sight of a King and a bet the others would have folded for sure. Since everyone checked and he bet the turn they figured he hit his card and they could beat that. So they stay in. Good play in my opinion.

uw_madtown · #9 12-21-2004, 09:37 PM

[ QUOTE ]
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failing to bet the flop is terrible

I thought you only play live?

[/ QUOTE ]

You really think its terrible?

I think I might have bet to conceal my hand, but sometimes, especially w/ only 3 in, everyone folds out on the PF raiser when an A or K comes.

For that reason I think the slowplay is defensible -- it pretty much guarantees you get paid something, at least.

Or do you have different reasons?

gm

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He's in late position, so a flop bet will probably look like a move to steal the pot, and since it's a raised pot, it's more likely the other players will toss in a bet here. Plus, if you get checkraised by middle or low set, you can call. and raise their turn bet and probably get good action. That's actually what I thought happened here, without looking at the comments. Might as well get a couple extra SBs on the flop (anyone folding for one SB from the last to act on the flop is folding to your bet on the turn for sure, unless they hit something hard).

gaming_mouse · #10 12-21-2004, 09:44 PM

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He's in late position, so a flop bet will probably look like a move to steal the pot

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yes, i read fast and didn't notice that. a bet probably is in order. however, i still don't think waiting is terrible. less than optimal, maybe, but considering the extra bets it may gain you on the big streets, not terrible.

i think people throw around the word terrible too lightly sometimes to describe any play they disagree with. i think in many cases it is simply not an accurate description.

gm