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Old 12-14-2004, 05:04 PM
Slick Al Slick Al is offline
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Default QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (7.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

Flop raise is standard, right? What about the turn, and river when UTG wakes up. Should I concede I'm beat here, call down, or raise?

Al
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Old 12-14-2004, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

I'd raise and call a 3-bet unless UTG is a rock.

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Old 12-14-2004, 05:37 PM
Slick Al Slick Al is offline
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Yeah, I'm thinking I misplayed the river, and should've raised. Since he didn't raise the turn, the flush isn't as likely.

Either way, it turned out he was a rock, and showed down KJ for the win.

Al
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Old 12-14-2004, 05:45 PM
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The reason he needs to be a rock is because you're beat by any UTG limping hands with a J here, and it's pretty obvious he has one by betting out on the river. He doesn't have JT or he'd have slowed down, JQ is a split, KJ/AJ are losers. So, he'd need to be a loose pf player that would limp with J9/J8/J7 or an any two cards player for a raise to be profitable.

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Old 12-14-2004, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

Am I the only one that folds this pre flop?
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Old 12-14-2004, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

Nope.

I don't, but i'm too loose pre-flop.

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Old 12-14-2004, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

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Am I the only one that folds this pre flop?

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No, thats an auto-fold for me. It wouldn't matter if I was 1st in or everyone limped to me.
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

If everybody limped to me, and I didn't figure a raise from the LP's I'd call.

WiteKnite
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:21 PM
JDErickson JDErickson is offline
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

I suggest folding this hand in this position. I only play it from the button or blinds and only if I'm sure there will be no raise after me.

Basically you have a marginal marginal hand.
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: QJo, standard, over or underagressive?

QJo has earned auto-fold status until I figure out when to play it, if ever. It is not a good starting hand.
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