Reluctantly, I put short stack all-in. Did I need to do this?

[jcm4ccc]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) converter

MP2 (t1445)
CO (t1332)
Button (t1187)
Hero (t1155)
BB (t226)
UTG (t5196)
MP1 (t2959)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, BB calls t76 (All-In).

Flop: (t526) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t526) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t526) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t526

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Th 7c (high card, king).
BB has Qd 4h (one pair, queens).
Outcome: BB wins t452. Hero wins t74. </font>

[Benholio]

I think you did have to do this. You are almost 50% against any two, and you are getting 2.5:1 on your money.

Also, you still have fold equity for another orbit if you lose.

A quick rundown of ICM numbers for the situation, to reinforce it:

Call and Win: .120 equity
Call and lose: .083 equity
Fold: .095 equity

So calling you are gambling .012 equity for a chance to win .025 equity, giving you over 2:1 odds that way too.

[pshreck]

No. You have 10 high and he's not folding.

[FishBurger]

I think this is a decent play. You're 48% against a random hand. You're risking T150 for a chance at t526 (29%). So, you're putting in 29% of the pot with a 48% chance to win. Pot odds say to put him in.

If you push and lose you're down to ~t900. If you fold, you have t1075 -- about 1 BB difference.

I think everything says push here and hope that his hand sucks worse than yours. Sometimes that's all you can do in these SnGs.

[Benholio]

The fact that he is not folding makes T7 a decent hand. T7 holds its own against a random hand.

equity (%) win (%)/tie (%)

Hand 1: 47.9081 % [ 00.46 00.02 ] { Tc7d }
Hand 2: 52.0919 % [ 00.50 00.02 ] { random }

[pshreck]

The question is, did he need too.

I think if you have confidence in your play and want to keep a healthy stack for better spots, you fold this. If you are unhappy with losing the coinflip type situation, then dont push.

[ddubois]

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No. You have 10 high and he's not folding.

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So you like passing up 2:1 edges? It's 151 more for a 50:50 chance at gaining 375. You don't need for him to fold to make this profitable.

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A quick rundown of ICM numbers for the situation

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It's too early to look at ICM, there's too many players still remaining. This is signifigantly chip +EV which is good enough.

[Benholio]

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It's too early to look at ICM, there's too many players still remaining. This is signifigantly chip +EV which is good enough.

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Why is it ever too early to look at the ICM? The ICM isn't designed to only work on the bubble, thats just when the gap between ICM $EV and CEV is the biggest. Sure, you can eyeball a situation like this and tell that it will be a +ICMEV (new term!) move, but it doesn't hurt to do the calculations to help illustrate it to others.

[captZEEbo1]

no you didn't have to do it. I see people make this play often. It's a bad idea. You are better off saving your chips. You should only be doing this if you lose, you will have &gt;10bb in my opinion. People make to big of a deal about "pot odds", pot odds aren't everything in tournaments.

[Benholio]

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no you didn't have to do it. I see people make this play often. It's a bad idea. You are better off saving your chips. You should only be doing this if you lose, you will have &gt;10bb in my opinion. People make to big of a deal about "pot odds", pot odds aren't everything in tournaments.

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Can you quantify what makes this a bad idea at all? Can anyone who thinks it is a bad idea to push here provide some logical analysis showing why, besides a hunch or an aversion to playing 'bad' hands?