buying short, good or bad?

[SCfuji]

when there is a huge spread between the buy-ins to a NL table, is it always better to buy-in for the max? i am a limit player and understand the concept of buying in for enough bets to play a few hands to the max and always do, but is there value to short buying into a NL game?

i.e. players underestimating the value of your hand, etc.

thanks,
fuji

[Potowame]

so you flop a FH with 99 on a AA9 board and you go all-in for your $10 buy-in on a $50 max table. Guy with $50+ calls you with AK.

to bad he didnt respect your hand he lost $10. good thing you didnt buy-in for $50. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

the only value to it is if you are the worse player at the table, you will only lose what you buy-in for.

[edtost]

buying "short" (100-200 bb's or so) when a no max buy game is playing rediculously deep is a good way to force otherwise strong players to make huge mistakes against you because they are trying to bust the deep fish.

[Jonny]

personally I always buy in the max, because I am better than the majority of players

[damn_river]

i am a winning player at the $25 NL ring games. i buy in short because i hate loosing a full buy-in. Logically, it doesn't make sense, but emotionally, it feels better after a tough day or string of tough days.

dR

[TheWorstPlayer]

Sincerely out of curiousity: do you switch tables when you get over the max buy-in? If not, then how deep will you allow yourself to get? At those limits, I personally find a deep stack to be such an advantage. People play back at you with completely ridiculous crap since they think they are being pushed around. I find it much easier to move from 100 to 150 than from 25 to 75, honestly.

[PITTM]

***** Hand History for Game 616523400 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - SAT MAY 22 04:23:57 EDT 2004
Table Table 14191 (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Sideshowsc ( $11.02)
Seat 2: danielkml ( $25.75)
Seat 3: Ocean_Master ( $39.74)
Seat 4: Kona25 ( $27.22)
Seat 5: Ryancjordan ( $11.75)
Seat 6: ryan5525 ( $36.01)
ryan5525 posts small blind (0.25)
Sideshowsc posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ryancjordan [ Ac, Jc ]
danielkml folds.
Ocean_Master folds.
Kona25 calls (0.50)
Ryancjordan raises (2) to 2
ryan5525 calls (1.75)
Sideshowsc folds.
Kona25 calls (1.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 9d, 8c ]
ryan5525 checks.
Kona25 bets (2)
Ryancjordan calls (2)
ryan5525 raises (4) to 4
Kona25 calls (2)
Ryancjordan calls (2)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
ryan5525 checks.
Kona25 bets (6)
Ryancjordan calls (5.75)
Ryancjordan is all-In.
ryan5525 calls (6)
Creating Main Pot with $34 with Ryancjordan
** Dealing River ** : [ Tc ]
ryan5525 checks.
Kona25 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $34 | Side Pot 1: $0.45 | Rake: $1.80
Board: [ Qc 9d 8c Kc Tc ]
Sideshowsc balance $10.52, lost $0.50 (folded)
danielkml balance $25.75, didn't bet (folded)
Ocean_Master balance $39.74, didn't bet (folded)
Kona25 balance $15.67, bet $12, collected $0.45, lost -$11.55 [ 3c 5c ] [ a flush, king high -- Kc,Qc,Tc,8c,5c ]
Ryancjordan balance $34, bet $11.75, collected $34, net +$22.25 [ Ac Jc ] [ Royal Flush -- Ac,Kc,Qc,Jc,Tc ]
ryan5525 balance $24.01, lost $12 [ Ad Qd ] [ a pair of queens -- Ad,Kc,Qd,Qc,Tc ]

blah...

rj

[TheWorstPlayer]

That sucks, but nice hand. Not only do I always buy in for the max, but if I get below ~75% of the buy-in I rebuy. I view every dollar I put at the table as having +EV (despite being TheWorstPlayer), so why not stay as full as possible?

[Yarney]

The idea is to always have more chips than the worst player at the table. That way when you finally get a monster hand you can take them all at once. At a B&M 1/2 NL game its a lot easier to go from $350 to $850 than it is to go from $60 (min buy-in) to $300 (max buy-in).

-Yarney

[AncientPC]

I buy-in for the max. I feel that I should be able to do fine deep stacked (for the 100BB / 200BB buy-in sites), and if I can't then I need to move down a level.

Shortstacked can also work to your advantage too. If you play aggressive, short stackers will get their stack commited by the turn and you can just push. I get a lot of people who make bad calls just because they're "pot committed".

My loss limit is 2 buy-in per table. One buy-in can be due to a coinflip or suckout, but once it hits two buy-ins I've lost table image, and possibly tilting even if I've been playing my normal poker game.