A4s river decision.

bisonbison · #1 12-09-2004, 03:40 PM

MP1 is laggy.
MP2 is a bit loose and very passive preflop. He's also passive postflop.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (9.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Chaos_ult · #2 12-09-2004, 03:42 PM

I think that's how I would have played it. I just can't see checking that river. That pretty much invites a bluff. Standard IMHO.

bisonbison · #3 12-09-2004, 03:45 PM

I just can't see checking that river. That pretty much invites a bluff.

What's wrong with inviting a bluff?

imaptone · #4 12-09-2004, 03:46 PM

What's your reasoning for not check calling the river? For the same amount of money you get to see the cards.

Chaos_ult · #5 12-09-2004, 03:48 PM

Hm, I guess I don't have any reasoning for not check/calling the river. But I don't think there's anything wrong with betting, as long as you can fold to a raise.

Rico Suave · #6 12-09-2004, 03:48 PM

Bison:

Seems like the perfect opponent to make this river bet / fold to a raise play.

--Rico

runa · #7 12-09-2004, 03:51 PM

MP2=MP3 in your read?

The hand looks good except the river bears some thought.

You lose if you are called on the river pretty much, but your hand does have some showdown value. Is checking and calling better than betting since a low [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] probably won't fold, if he doesn't have a club he'll fold, and you might be able to induce a bluff from a worse non [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] hand?

sthief09 · #8 12-09-2004, 03:55 PM

handsome

aas · #9 12-09-2004, 03:57 PM

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What's your reasoning for not check calling the river? For the same amount of money you get to see the cards.

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With the amout of strength that hero has shown so far, and MP3 being read as passive (assuming bisonbison realy meant MP3 by MP2 in his reads), I don't think you need to see the cards. A bet might cause a baby flush to fold.

colgin · #10 12-09-2004, 04:00 PM

bison,

I question whether you want to limp with A4s in EP with a laggy player to your immediate left but perhaps the overall table texture justifies it.

As for the rest of the hand you played it perfectly. I see no point in spending 1 BB on the river to see the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Against a different player you might want to check the river in the hopes of catching a bluff, but against the loose-passive type you describe, if the Clarkmeister rule is ever going to apply in a situation it is going to be this one.

Nice hand; sh*tty river.