QQ, An Overpair, and other somesuch

JinX11 · #1 12-09-2004, 11:15 AM

Comments appreciated on all streets - I have provided my own thoughts - confirmation of/counterpoint to my thoughts would be great....

Ultimately, my question is: "Should I get away from this hand at any point?"

Reads (VPIP, PFR, AF):
SB is TA-A (11/7/12.2); pushes small edges too much post-flop, but I do respect him
UTG+1 is LA-P (55/15/0.66); his pocket aces turn to fantastic holdings like J3o and Q7o fairly often.
MP1 is LA-P (70/20/1.4); he is not so good.
MP2 is TA-N (15/7/1.9); seems like a good player that I see often at the tables
Hero is not playing so well this evening, making one dubious decision after another.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Thoughts: This seems standard. Nothing special here. Looking back, SB calling three should have concerned me a little bit more, but I was probably blinded by my ladies.

Flop: (16 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Thoughts: Well, I've got an overpair, but there's some interest. Potential frush/straight draws make me think I should call here rather than raise, since I don't expect it to thin the field at all. If the turn is favorable, then I'll drop the hammer.

Turn: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Thoughts: Well, that's about as good a card I could've asked for, save another queen. MP1's raise catches me completely off-guard and I'm a bit lost. So, naturally, when I have no idea what to do, I raise. Good, bad, ugly? Then, SB just makes matters worse - guess he thinks raising is fun, too. Everything about the board and the play screams "SET!", but I can't let go for one bet, right? Or can I? Maybe I shouldn't have 3-bet???

River: (26.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Thoughts: What game are we playing again? I have to drop to a bet here by anyone, yes?

Final Pot: 26.50 BB

JinX11 · #2 12-09-2004, 11:24 AM

Bonus points if you can guess the hands. Hint: I have QQ.

Noodles · #3 12-09-2004, 12:19 PM

interesting hand,ok i would still raise the flop,lot of players in and a 2 flush but still it isnt that bad, no real str8 draws,pretty raggy really. well you can knock out the sb i suppose.
on turn i wouldnt have 3 bet, the MP1 is passive post flop (is this correct, i dont have poker tracker) so a 2 bet on the turn into the pf raiser and flop raiser must mean 2 pair at least i think,i would have called,then the sb caps ,you say he is agressive but would be cap a flush draw here? that wouldnt even be for value,set looks logical.
still you have to call getting huge pot odds.
their river play has me bamboozled [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

JinX11 · #4 12-09-2004, 01:19 PM

Everything about this hand had me bamboozled. The river seemed fitting.

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) · #5 12-09-2004, 01:20 PM

Raise the flop. Draws aren't going anywhere on the board here or on the turn, and you have the best hand. This is an easy value raise.

JinX11 · #6 12-09-2004, 01:30 PM

Well, I guess my thinking at the time was that I could get away from my hand (or at least play it more passively) if a third [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or overcard turned. I feel like I'm just building a pot for others to draw at by raising the flop; I may not be ahead here. Is this not the proper time to try and manipulate the pot size?

JinX11 · #7 12-09-2004, 03:42 PM

Results in white below: 

SB has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
UTG+1 has Td 4d (one pair, tens).
MP1 has Th Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Hero has Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 26.50 BB.