QQ in monster pot. Capped by 7!

SofaCoach · #1 12-07-2004, 03:11 PM

I was a little unsure if I played this right, then a table coach made some snide remark about my push-push-push-check approach. I don't care what they think or say, but was wondering if I pushed too hard anyway.

Table had been wild with raises and cold calls abound, but my main concern in this hand was UTG who had been playing tight and reasonable.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Easy 3-bet, but when tight UTG caps, I begin to put him on either a big pocket pair or perhaps AK.

Flop: (28 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

The bet out is automatic, but should I have 3-bet? UTG capped PF and raised here. My thinking was that even if I was behind here I have a pot equity advantage over the majority of this large field.

Turn: (21 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Hated the overcard and hated the heart, but bet for the same reason as 3-bet above. Very happy to not get raised.

River: (24 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

Was this check call too weak? TAG UTG capped PF and AA,KK,JJ, or AK all beat me. I figured it very unlikely that any hand that beats me would fold here for one bet, and the vast majority of hands that I beat would fold, if they hadn't already.

Final Pot: 26 BB

TIA, for comments.

djoyce003 · #2 12-07-2004, 03:39 PM

I don't dislike your play on any street, but I do think you are beat on the river. I can't imagine what he'd cap with that wouldn't beat you unless he was willing to cap with 10 10. I can't see him capping with AJ or A10 unless they were suited and he's loose, which you say he isn't. That being said you have to at least call the river pot because the pot is massive and you only have to win 1 out of 25 times for it to be worthwhile.

gamblore99 · #3 12-07-2004, 03:45 PM

The bet out is automatic, but should I have 3-bet? UTG capped PF and raised here. My thinking was that even if I was behind here I have a pot equity advantage over the majority of this large field.

I agree. Also if UTG is a smart player, he probably feels the same way and maybe thats why he capped with TT or 99.

On the river It looks like your beat. But I think its worth a call, cause the pot is so juciy. mmm pot

kendal14 · #4 12-07-2004, 03:53 PM

I like your play on all streets. I also think you are beat if the TAg wasn't doing something completey un-TAg like. I'm guessing AK without a heart, thus the slow down on the turn especially your 3 bet on the flop.

Aces McGee · #5 12-07-2004, 04:48 PM

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The bet out is automatic, but should I have 3-bet? UTG capped PF and raised here. My thinking was that even if I was behind here I have a pot equity advantage over the majority of this large field.

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I probably wouldn't 3 bet this flop if the UTG is tight, but regardless of whether or not 3betting is correct here, having a pot equity advantage over the majority of the field is not a good reason to 3bet. If you are behind anyone, you are way behind, with very few cards that catch you up. If you are behind one player but ahead of the majority, all your 3 bet does is make more money for him.

-McGee

BigBaitsim (milo) · #6 12-07-2004, 05:16 PM

I like your play. I figured you should be beaten based on the action, but table coaches usually focus their ire on winners they think are undeserving. Nice hand.

MoreWineII · #7 12-07-2004, 05:28 PM

One thing I've noticed is common with table coaches is that they tend to be very ABC-like players. Bet if you have it, check when you don't.

Raising for a free turn card, trapping the field for multiple bets, using your position to confront the field with 2 bets, isolating bad players, value betting, all these concepts and more that most 2+2'ers consider basic strategy are totally foreign to them.

btw, hand looks good.

SamIAm · #8 12-07-2004, 05:50 PM

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should I have 3-bet? UTG capped PF and raised here. My thinking was that even if I was behind here I have a pot equity advantage over the majority of this large field.

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think it's worth it. You're about to committ the whole world to this pot, and you've only got a pretty-high pair. (Ok, ok. You got the button to fold. But he's a fool.) Your equity is high with rockets, but not that great with queens. I'd close the action and bet-out on the turn. Your minor equity isn't worth losing the chance to scare people out later.

I seem to be in the minority on this one. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
-Sam

mike_sharpe · #9 12-07-2004, 05:54 PM

Since the pot is so big, should you stay the aggressor and bet out?

MoreWineII · #10 12-07-2004, 06:14 PM

It's a hard one. I love it if UTG has JJ or lower. It's poopy if he has KK or AA.

One thing though, UTG capped preflop after 7 trillion callers. If he's tricky, he could be capping 88, 99, or TT just for set value. Maybe not likely, but *possible*.

Anyway, on the chance that my hand is good, with all those callers, I kind of want to get a bunch of bets into the pot. I kind of like the 3-bet.

Eh?