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Old 11-16-2004, 01:33 AM
pyroponic pyroponic is offline
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Default $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

Sorry about not converting this, I keep trying to use Bison's converter and it's not working? I paste it as is and it spits out nothing. Anyways, I was wondering how I should have played this differently (if at all), I was short stacked and I hit the flop pretty hard, but had to throw this hand away when I was basically facing two all-in's (I most definately would have called if Tiggity folded, I was pretty sure the original bettor was going to push). Should I have played the flop more aggresively? Was I laying down too strong of a hand? Any input is appreciated (and if you could advise me how to use the converter that'd be great, sorry about using handles, once I figure how to use the converter i'll disguise them).

***** Hand History for Game 1181404548 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:7205370 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, November 15, 12:07:38 EDT 2004
Table Table 11229 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 5: Biff00 ( $1055 )
Seat 9: EkiT2121 ( $1360 )
Seat 8: pyroponic ( $770 )
Seat 2: hunter512000 ( $1065 )
Seat 4: FireBall25 ( $675 )
Seat 3: Tiggity275 ( $3075 )

Trny:720537 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pyroponic [ Kh Qc ]
EkiT2121 folds.
hunter512000 calls [30].
Tiggity275: not my favorite, but definitly in the top 3 or 4
Tiggity275 raises [60].
FireBall25 folds.
Biff00 folds.
pyroponic calls [30].
hunter512000 calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Js, 6c ]
pyroponic checks.
hunter512000 bets [30].
Tiggity275 raises [60].
pyroponic raises [90].
hunter512000 calls [60].
Tiggity275 raises [60].
pyroponic: wow
pyroponic calls [30].
hunter512000 calls [30].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
pyroponic checks.
hunter512000 bets [200].
Tiggity275 raises [700].
pyroponic folds.
hunter512000 is all-In.
Tiggity275 calls [185].
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Tiggity275 shows [ Ah, 8c ] a pair of sixes.
hunter512000 shows [ Ks, Qh ] two pairs, kings and queens.
hunter512000 wins 2325 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and queens.
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:39 AM
pshreck pshreck is offline
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

You cant make this laydown in a 20+2. Payoff the trips or straight occasionally.... but quite often you will double or triple up off players on draws or hands like AQ and AK, or lower 2 pair.

Think about what you did on the turn.... you hit top 2 pair... then you check fold. The board is kind of scary... but I dont see this being a good lay down. Its not that its always the best hand in this situation, but I think its often enough where you need to go through it, for pot odds alone.
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:43 AM
Profit Profit is offline
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

i dont lay this down. I cant believe any of ur opponents has jj qq or kk based on preflop play, but u were playing with them i wasnt. 66 is a possibility. do you think these players would play a10 like this fast on the turn? What exactly were u hoping for on the turn and river? that it got checked down?
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:49 AM
pyroponic pyroponic is offline
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

I basically knew the bettor was going to push, I felt that if I had to call two all-in's my chance of being up againt a set was increased, I was going for the check-raise since I was out of position. I don't want you to think that since I checked the turn I was going planning on checking this down, I was going to check all-in but when I had to face two of them I felt like my hand was not way ahead.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:04 AM
serling serling is offline
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

If this was the action on the flop, *maybe* I'm folding.

Having top two pair on the turn and being shortstacked, I'm absolutely calling/reraising all-in.

If I'm up against a straight or set, so be it.

I never give much credit to min. raises (preflop and flop), so I wouldn't even think anyone has AQ.

serling
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:23 AM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

Your original problem was min-reraising and not, say, reraising to 200/folding to any more action and then pushing on the turn.

Your secondary problem was not pushing on the turn.
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:21 AM
timprov timprov is offline
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

What's with all the min-betting? You had me thinking this was limit for a moment. Bad on all sides.
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: $20+2 PP SNG Laydown

ya i thought it was limit at first as well.
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