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#1
11-12-2004, 04:13 PM
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$50 (6 max) hand
Sorry dont have the hand history,
Hero - $75 UTG - $50 CO - $75 Hero is dealt KJ hearts UTG raises to 3, CO calls, Hero calls. 3 way action to the flop. Flop ($10.50) Qc 10h 4h UTG bets $6, CO moves all-in, Hero?? Results to follow. 
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#3
11-12-2004, 04:41 PM
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Re: $50 (6 max) hand
easy fold pre-flop. you're asking to be dominated playing KJ (suited or not) against a PFR.
i think you should fold the flop. that big overbet push could easily be the nut flush draw (or utg could have it, and he might think he has the odds to call being the 3rd person in), in which case you're drawing very thin. playing this hand against a set is pretty mediocre too.
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#4
11-12-2004, 04:54 PM
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Re: $50 (6 max) hand
"This is a read dependant call. If CO has made similar moves before, I call... You have lots of outs."
How is this read dependent? Best case scenario is CO is over playing top pair in which case you have 18 outs more likly you have 15 outs assuming the player has 2 pair or a set. If you call you have about 1/3 chance of winning the hand and the pot is not laying suffiecent odds for a call.
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#5
11-12-2004, 06:09 PM
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Re: $50 (6 max) hand
This is 6-max, KJs is fine to play preflop for a raise.
Let's see what the CO could have here. Against top two pair I'm exactly even money here, and against a set I'm about a 3:2 dog. Even against a hand like A5 hearts, I'm still not even a 2:1 dog. I think CO would also make this push with Qx hearts, or AQ, KQ. All of which I'm ahead of. How do you factor in UTG?
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#6
11-12-2004, 06:54 PM
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Re: $50 (6 max) hand
Check it out:
You are in great shape here.... cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 560 56.57 430 43.43 0 0.00 0.566 Qs Ah 430 43.43 560 56.57 0 0.00 0.434 Good to call here.... cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 495 50.00 495 50.00 0 0.00 0.500 Qd Td 495 50.00 495 50.00 0 0.00 0.500 I think good to call here, especially if you get a 3 way: cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 399 40.30 591 59.70 0 0.00 0.403 Qs Qd 591 59.70 399 40.30 0 0.00 0.597 Even here you are good to call... cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 452 45.66 538 54.34 0 0.00 0.457 Ad Ah 538 54.34 452 45.66 0 0.00 0.543 This is all you are afraid of... cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 276 27.88 714 72.12 0 0.00 0.279 Ah Qh 714 72.12 276 27.88 0 0.00 0.721 No way im folding this.
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#7
11-12-2004, 06:58 PM
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Re: $50 (6 max) hand
[ QUOTE ]
i think you should fold the flop. that big overbet push could easily be the nut flush draw (or utg could have it, and he might think he has the odds to call being the 3rd person in), in which case you're drawing very thin. playing this hand against a set is pretty mediocre too. [/ QUOTE ] You have six outs to make a straight and six outs to make a pair against the nut flush draw. Hardly drawing thin. (If you're referring to all three of you ending up all in, one with top pair and one with the nut flush draw, then you can still make your straight, so it's not the end of the world. That seems rather unlikely though.) Here are some possibilities if you get all-in against one opponent: cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 370 37.37 620 62.63 0 0.00 0.374 Ah 2h 620 62.63 370 37.37 0 0.00 0.626 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 399 40.30 591 59.70 0 0.00 0.403 4s 4d 591 59.70 399 40.30 0 0.00 0.597 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 495 50.00 495 50.00 0 0.00 0.500 Qs Ts 495 50.00 495 50.00 0 0.00 0.500 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 609 61.52 363 36.67 18 1.82 0.624 Qs Js 363 36.67 609 61.52 18 1.82 0.376 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 588 59.39 402 40.61 0 0.00 0.594 As Qs 402 40.61 588 59.39 0 0.00 0.406 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 531 53.64 441 44.55 18 1.82 0.545 Ks Qs 441 44.55 531 53.64 18 1.82 0.455 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 563 56.87 427 43.13 0 0.00 0.569 Qh 9h 427 43.13 563 56.87 0 0.00 0.431 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 360 36.36 0 0.00 630 63.64 0.682 Ks Js 0 0.00 360 36.36 630 63.64 0.318 cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kh Jh 276 27.88 714 72.12 0 0.00 0.279 Ah Qh 714 72.12 276 27.88 0 0.00 0.721 Yes you are an underdog if someone has the nut flush draw. But you're not in terrible shape unless they have *exactly* Ah Qh. If you end up all in against a single opponent your equity will vary somewhere between 40-60%. I can't remember what the betting was in the hand that was posted but from here it should be a simple math problem to see if you have odds to suck out if you think you're behind. And if you think your equity is over 50% then just put all the money in and pray.
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