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11-11-2004, 01:18 AM
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filthy limpers
$50 NL SNG on empire
i get the major suit Q's in the BB - its about hand 5 and so far all have survived 6 limpers and a completer to me - whats a plan ? stripsqueez - chickenhawk 
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#3
11-11-2004, 01:42 AM
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Re: filthy limpers
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$50 NL SNG on empire i get the major suit Q's in the BB - its about hand 5 and so far all have survived 6 limpers and a completer to me - whats a plan ? stripsqueez - chickenhawk [/ QUOTE ] Raise pot and hope no overcards flop when you get callers. Take a stab anyway if they do. eastbay
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#4
11-11-2004, 04:02 AM
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Re: filthy limpers
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Raise pot and hope no overcards flop when you get callers. Take a stab anyway if they do [/ QUOTE ] before editing you suggested raise to T300 which was spooky because thats what i eventually did (i had a big think) the fifth limper had AA so he raised to T600 and i eventually lost all but T160 of my precious chips naturally i'm now thinking i should of gone with plan B - check and probably check/fold unimproved - i'm turning weak tight into an art form early stripsqueez - chickenhawk
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#5
11-11-2004, 05:42 AM
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Re: filthy limpers
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[ QUOTE ] Raise pot and hope no overcards flop when you get callers. Take a stab anyway if they do [/ QUOTE ] before editing you suggested raise to T300 which was spooky because thats what i eventually did (i had a big think) the fifth limper had AA so he raised to T600 and i eventually lost all but T160 of my precious chips naturally i'm now thinking i should of gone with plan B - check and probably check/fold unimproved - i'm turning weak tight into an art form early stripsqueez - chickenhawk [/ QUOTE ] check/check fold!? I think you're being facetious... My raise to 300 was for blinds 25/50, not 10/15. I'm trying to build the pot while keeping it something like 3-handed to the flop. That's really what drives my raise here. eastbay
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#6
11-11-2004, 08:21 AM
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Re: filthy limpers
Are you running bad?
Raise QQ preflop.
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#7
11-11-2004, 11:05 AM
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Re: filthy limpers
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Are you running bad? [/ QUOTE ] no i'm not running bad - i just find myself tending more towards protecting my chips early with 7 other players i figure i have to raise a decent chunk to scare off at least 5 of them - i simply dont want to invest a lot of chips in a multiway pot because although my chip EV might be through the roof (i'm a limit player so nothing gives me greater delight than raising 7 limpers with this hand in a limit game) my reasonable expectation of winning the pot say 3 handed after the flop is not likely more than 50% at a guess - my expectation in the tournament is much more about my chances of winning the pot than my chip EV at this stage i dont think raising the pot is a great plan - it may well be 4 or 5 handed on the flop if i do that and that just doesnt appeal - even without the overcard hitting there are a bunch of hands that will get all my chips - if i told you that raising the pot will cause 4 guys with smaller pocket pairs to call do you still want to do it ? - i prefer raising more because now i'll get rid of more limpers and my expectation of winning the pot will increase - but to do that i have to take a decent sized risk with a big chunk of my stack i like plan B - bugger all risk - if a Q hits i very likely get a bunch of chips to consider how close this might be imagine you had JJ or 1010 in the same spot with only 3 limpers - i'm confident a common view would be to check and hope to hit the flop - QQ is a better hand but from the front against 7 limpers surely the same plan for JJ becomes reasonable ? either that or i'm swinging too far into weak tight mode - its all good stripsqueez - chickenhawk
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#10
11-11-2004, 07:00 PM
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Re: filthy limpers
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What did you think he had when he raised to 600? What was your plan? [/ QUOTE ] i thought he could have a very broad range of hands - i mean what do you put a guy on when he is the fourth over limper but then reraises about 75% of his stack ? - it was said earlier in this thread but there are so many crazy guys early that stuff like 33 or 97s isnt out of the question given my "read" i was always pushing if someone reraised the flop - it would be different if i knew the player or perhaps if the first limper reraised - i pretty much committed my stack pre-flop when i raised to T300 the hand and result bore me after i decided to raise the flop to T300 - it would be good if someone could address the pre-flop argument - i would settle for "QQ is a rock so your thinking like a weak tight loser" - i'd be happy to say it to you if its what i thought stripsqueez - chickenhawk
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