KK vs 3-bet on flop

ZManODS · #1 11-10-2004, 07:34 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB
Main Pot: 14.75 BB, between Hero and MP3.

I think i wimped out on the turn, but the flush card scared me. Anyone else check-call this one down?

Yeknom58 · #2 11-10-2004, 07:40 PM

Cap the flop and then lead turn. If he raises then slow down.

Sundevils21 · #3 11-10-2004, 07:46 PM

I think you went into check/call mode a little too soon.
I would call the 3bet(but if there were other callers then I'd cap) then bet out on the turn. If you get raised on the turn, then go into check/call mode.

Bodhi · #4 11-10-2004, 08:04 PM

This is the exact situation I hate to get caught in with an overpair. You don't want to give the raiser more credit than he deserves, but a lot of people love to play suited cards even when they're mediocre in high card strength or connectedness. When I lose to a flush with a hand like yours I kick myself and wonder if I'm too loose. Anyway, sometimes you'll be surprised and he'll only have a pair of queens, but it's also possible that he has a set (which is consistent with his preflop call and flop bet). I lose these hands against the 3-flush board, oh, I guess, 80% of the time.

If you're still ahead and bet the turn, he'll (likely)call. If you're behind, he'll raise. Therefore, if you intend to showdown, your check-call profits as much as a betting out if you will win, and loses less if you're behind and will lose.

comments? criticism?

tewall · #5 11-10-2004, 08:15 PM

I think what you're saying about the turn makes sense. I'd cap the flop though.

Sundevils21 · #6 11-10-2004, 11:13 PM

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I lose these hands against the 3-flush board, oh, I guess, 80% of the time.

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I say you should cut your percentage in half at least.