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Old 11-09-2004, 05:10 AM
Moyer Moyer is offline
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I called another player's bet on the river, he showed me the winning hand, so I mucked. He then asked the dealer to see my cards and the dealer picked them up off the pile and showed the whole table. Maybe I've been playing online too much, but this rule seems like complete BS. I later asked the floorman and he actually said it was alright.

Is this rule out of the ordinary? It would be different if I made the river bet, but I didn't.
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:23 AM
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This sounds ridiculous. What horse$h!t casino was this?
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:29 AM
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did your hand ever actually touch the muck?
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Old 11-09-2004, 05:39 AM
NicktheManiac NicktheManiac is offline
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Default Re: Is this a strange rule?

This is the rule at the Hard Rock Seminole casinos in Florida, I know that for sure. If you call down to the river, someone can request to see your cards.
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: Is this a strange rule?

The floor was right, but the rule is there to prevent collusion. I would have asked the floor to explain the rule and why it is there. Next time someone asked to see my hand I would ask them who they think I am colluding with before the dealer shows my hand.
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Old 11-09-2004, 09:30 AM
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Default Re: Is this a strange rule?

In theory, they have the right to see your hand on the river as part of the showdown....

it's USUALLY declared by an observer, not the other player, (since he obviously would know he's not colluding with you) - so in that part, it's pretty stupid.

and this is enforced online in the sense that if you have a showdown and pull up the hand history, you will get to see what the opponent's hand was in the text (at least for Party/Pokerstars)

but then you get into the whole "cards touched the muck" thing, and I would think that kills it....but who knows...

hope you took him for all his chips later.

RB
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: Is this a strange rule?

[ QUOTE ]
I called another player's bet on the river, he showed me the winning hand, so I mucked. He then asked the dealer to see my cards and the dealer picked them up off the pile and showed the whole table. Maybe I've been playing online too much, but this rule seems like complete BS. I later asked the floorman and he actually said it was alright.

Is this rule out of the ordinary? It would be different if I made the river bet, but I didn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nothing unusual about that rule. Do a search on "I want to see that hand" and you'll find plenty of references. You can find an article by Tommy Angelo on the topic here:

Tommy Article

It's rude to use it just to gain information, however.

Regards,

T
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Old 11-09-2004, 12:00 PM
Lurshy Lurshy is offline
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Interesting essay, thanks for posting link.

How many of you abuse this online, by occasionally requesting hand histories to gain information? I know I do.
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Old 11-09-2004, 02:29 PM
Al_Capone_Junior Al_Capone_Junior is offline
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Default Re: Is this a strange rule?

In almost every live cardroom I have ever been in, any player can ask to see any called hand. The dealer must touch it to the muck and "kill it" before they can turn a discarded hand face up tho.

al
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Old 11-09-2004, 02:52 PM
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Yes they touched the muck.
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