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Old 11-07-2004, 12:23 PM
AZK AZK is offline
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Default checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

Transitioning from online NL play to SNG play...still fixing a few leaks...what is the general consensus on a play like this?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="C00000">UTG (t920)</font>
UTG+1 (t760)
<font color="C00000">MP1 (t1913)</font>
MP2 (t457)
CO (t1260)
Button (t1515)
SB (t380)
<font color="C00000">Hero (t795)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t50, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t200) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets t250</font>, MP1 calls t250, SB folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t745 (All-In)</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to t870 (All-In)</font>, MP1 calls t620.

Turn: (t2685) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t2685) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2685
<font color="green">Main Pot: t2435 (t2435), between UTG, MP1 and Hero.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t250 (t250), between UTG and MP1.</font>
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:47 PM
Benholio Benholio is offline
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

I would like it a lot more of MP1 didn't call the big flop bet. With a rainbow and mostly uncoordinated flop like this, you have to think one of your opponents has 2 pair or better to be putting that many chips in the pot. Having said that, I don't know if I'd be able to get away from this hand at the low buy-in SnG's, since I've gotten paid so many times by random gutshot and top pair bad kicker in this spot.

With only one player in the pot, I CR all-in easily here. With 2 in the pot, I am really on the fence. I'd be interested to see what others would be here too.
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Old 11-07-2004, 01:06 PM
rjb03 rjb03 is offline
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

I'm folding here after the caller too. People see rainbow flops as an opportunity to slowplay more safely with 2 pair plus. I can't see why he would call a 5x BB bet when all he invested is 1 BB preflop unless he is setting up a bluff on the turn with the likelihood that utg will check. Then again, it is pretty early for a bluff like that against random players.
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Old 11-07-2004, 01:32 PM
mikey checks mikey checks is offline
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

what level sng?
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Old 11-07-2004, 02:45 PM
mart_ph mart_ph is offline
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

I'd bet the pot at the flop rather than checking. I much prefer to lead into players at this stage. Then if raised, I'd fold - they may be draw chasing but I'd let them fight it our at this stage.
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Old 11-07-2004, 03:24 PM
willperkins willperkins is offline
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

I would not check raise into 3 people in a SNG with this hand. In this instance I would bet about t100. If called, I would shut down and check the turn. If UTG raised my bet and MP1 called I would let it go. I would worry that one of the limpers had KT, TT, or 44. I stil have plenty of chips and would look for a better spot to push than this.
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Old 11-07-2004, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

Thanks for the advice everyone, this was a 20+2 SNG, UTG showed AA...interesting limp....MP had QQ...
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

like it
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Old 11-07-2004, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: checkraise all in...like it? hate it?

I've limped with KK and AA UTG before, common strategy hoping to have the pot raised by a later position player in order to reraise - though unless the table is full it can be a dangerous move.
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