Bankroll for playing 3 15/30 games

[joedot]

What do you guys consider a safe amount to 3 table at this level? Assume that the bankroll is not replaceable. Thanks in advance. Sorry if this has been covered many times for some of you, but I just wanted to bounce this off some of the regulars here.

[bicyclekick]

$15,000

[Will C]

The same as 1 table of 15/30. All playing 3 tables does is increase the number of hands you'll see over a given time period. Typically, people recommend 300BB for whatever stakes you're playing, and that would be about $9,000 at 15/30.

[Equal]

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All playing 3 tables does is increase the number of hands you'll see over a given time period.

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That's not quite true. A player's win rate per table goes down when he adds tables. For example, a player that makes 3BB/100 when playing a single table might only make 1.5BB/100 when playing 3 tables simultaneously.

What this does mean is players need a bigger bankroll when multi-tabling.

I would suggest 400bb-500bb.

[AlwaysWrong]

You also have to consider that there are a lot of implicit assumptions in the 300 bb guideline - that you play at a fairly constant level all the time being a big one. When you start to play badly, you will now start to play badly at three tables at once, and the consequences will be three times as great.

I like the 400-500 bb / 15k suggestions. I think the 300bb guideline could get you in trouble.

Of course when you lose the first 300bb of that 500, I'd reccommend a good week off :-).

[Turning Stone Pro]

What would I do for my second week of play?

TSP

[Will C]

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That's not quite true. A player's win rate per table goes down when he adds tables. For example, a player that makes 3BB/100 when playing a single table might only make 1.5BB/100 when playing 3 tables simultaneously.

What this does mean is players need a bigger bankroll when multi-tabling.

I would suggest 400bb-500bb.

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Actually, it's quite true. You cannot come to any _certain_ conclusion other than you see 3x more hands over a given time period when playing 3 tables (assuming the hands per hour are roughly the same). Some players may play better playing 3 tables as it causes them to tilt less, or have the same winrate, etc.

Also, your 1.5BB/100 is a rather poor example. If 300BB is enough for 1.5BB/100 winrate single tabling, then 1.5BB/100 is enough for 3 tables. There is no difference between 1.5BB/100 play at 1 table and 1.5BB/100 play at 3 tables, other than the number of hands played. 300BB is sufficient for both.

[Fianchetto]

a minimum of 10K, and you'd be a lot safer with 12K-15K

[Will C]

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You also have to consider that there are a lot of implicit assumptions in the 300 bb guideline - that you play at a fairly constant level all the time being a big one. When you start to play badly, you will now start to play badly at three tables at once, and the consequences will be three times as great.

I like the 400-500 bb / 15k suggestions. I think the 300bb guideline could get you in trouble.

Of course when you lose the first 300bb of that 500, I'd reccommend a good week off :-).

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This is false. Consider: you are 3 tabling and see an average of 210hands/hour(70hands/hour/table). Out of every 100 hours, you play badly for 1 hour. Over 100 hours, you see a total of 21,000 hands, and play 210 of them badly. Now consider: you are single tabling and see an average of 70hands/hour. Out of every 100 hours, you play 1 hour badly. In 100 hours, you see 7000 hands, and play 70 of them badly. In 300 hours you see 21000 hands, play 210 of them badly. The number of poorly played/tilted hands are identical.

Also, see my other post for why 300BB is sufficient. I've noticed that many poker players seem to feel like multitabling makes your bankroll take huge, wild swings. In a given time period, the swings may be larger, but the expectation is greater. Over a given number of hands, the swings are identical. Let me repeat this and give an example: the swings you see multitabling 3 tables over a 4 month period are the same swings you see over a year single tabling. However, the positive expectation is the same at the end of each time period.

300BB should be sufficient.

[mplspoker]

Will do you play the 15 on Party? If you do you will know that you need more than $9,000..... Some of your logic makes sense, but if you are playing 8-12 tables I have done it on many different limits you are going to have WILD SWINGS of 100BB's+ in a single session........