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Old 10-14-2004, 04:59 AM
dcarlc dcarlc is offline
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Default 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

This is in a live 15/30 game. I am 2 off the button. Everyone has folded to me, I have 10,jack suited. Cutoff and the button are very tight players. The blinds are going to defend there blinds 90 to 95% of the time. I'm interested in anybody's opinion on limping as to coming in with a raise. Thanks.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:04 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

Limping is for wusses, and if you don't raise, the rocks behind you are going to smell your wretched weakness and do it for you. If you play, you must raise, buy yourself the button and play the flop with the blind defenders...I don't see any other playable line here.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

limping is by far the worst of the 3 options you have. and it's not even close.
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

This is just wrong. Limping is much better than folding. To say that folding is much better than limping and that it isn't close shows a clear lack of understanding for the game. However, Raising is the best option. Even though the blinds will play a lot of the time you maintain control and may be able to pick up the pot on the flop when an A or K fall anyway.
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:14 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

Raising is the correct play. Limping is a poor play on a lot of levels. First of all, you could get trapped in a high pair drawing game and loose more than if you had just folded. Your kicker is weak. If the blinds are going to defend their bets regardless, then play a good hand for its value. Limping leaves them believing there would be good reason to get into a drawing battle with you post-flop. When you raise, you could also use a check-raise with good effect on the turn, regardless of the card. I totally disagree with anyone who would recommend that you limp in. Folding IS a better bet than limping.
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

Raising is quite clear. Even hands such as J9s and T9s are
enough to raise with unless the blinds tend to 3bet with a
lot of hands that dominate these. Make your position the
cutoff and you ought to be raising with hands as weak as 98s
and T8s as long as you have good control after the flop
although in this case, there would be a good case to just
call with some hands.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

Raise. It doesn't matter if the BB and SB come along. If they are defending as high a percentage of time as you say, then you'll have position on 2 other callers that hold much weaker hands most of the time. Just make sure you know their post-flop tendencies to get the most out of these situations.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

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This is just wrong. Limping is much better than folding. To say that folding is much better than limping and that it isn't close shows a clear lack of understanding for the game.

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So what are your reasons then?
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

Appreciate all your thoughts. Flop came A64, SB bets, BB calls I just fold. SB bets turn and BB folds.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:00 PM
Chris Daddy Cool Chris Daddy Cool is offline
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Default Re: 10, Jack suited. Looking for opinion.

educate me then please. i obviously have no clue. what benefit is it to openlimp JTs in this spot?
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