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10-13-2004, 03:21 PM
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any good needle lines?
Fairly typical goofy loose aggressive CA 40/80 game. Two limpers in, then loose aggresive older asian woman raises. She typically raises any Ax from any position. She often calls a raise with that holding as well. It gets folded to me in the BB. I call with AJd. Normally, this is an instant muck for me, but since there is a very good chance I have her dominated I decide to gamble this time. The other two limpers call. The flop is J73, with the 73 of diamonds. I flopped top pair with the nut flush draw. I check, because I am 100% positive she will bet. Her play was so bad, but what made it worse was how predictable it was. As predicted, she bet the flop. I raised and cleared the other two out. Then, she grabbed chips as if to reraise, then she paused deliberately and called. I later realized what the nature of that dramatic presentation was. It was supposed to look like a smooth call. The turn was a ugly 5. I bet out again, and now she raised. At this point I assumed she did have me beat and I just got tooled by a smooth call on the flop. I assumed she had an over pair, a set, or at worst the same hand I did (but without the redraw). I knew there was a possibility I was beat, but since I had the redraw I figure I had to lead out on the turn. Feel free to comment on the turn. I couldn't muster the craziness to reraise, so I just call. The river was a black 6, making the final board J7563. I checked, she bet, and since I just had to see it I called. She had pocket fours. And she didn't have the four of diamonds. Thereby, her only outs were 1 four and 3 sixes. My question is what is the appropriate thing to say to her as she is stacking my chips? She played so many hands and sucked out so many of them I felt a little needling might help to keep her from getting so out of line. Your thoughts?
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#3
10-13-2004, 03:31 PM
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Re: any good needle lines?
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Fairly typical goofy loose aggressive CA 40/80 game. Two limpers in, then loose aggresive older asian woman raises. She typically raises any Ax from any position. She often calls a raise with that holding as well. It gets folded to me in the BB. I call with AJd. Normally, this is an instant muck for me, but since there is a very good chance I have her dominated I decide to gamble this time. The other two limpers call. The flop is J73, with the 73 of diamonds. I flopped top pair with the nut flush draw. I check, because I am 100% positive she will bet. Her play was so bad, but what made it worse was how predictable it was. As predicted, she bet the flop. I raised and cleared the other two out. Then, she grabbed chips as if to reraise, then she paused deliberately and called. I later realized what the nature of that dramatic presentation was. It was supposed to look like a smooth call. The turn was a ugly 5. I bet out again, and now she raised. At this point I assumed she did have me beat and I just got tooled by a smooth call on the flop. I assumed she had an over pair, a set, or at worst the same hand I did (but without the redraw). I knew there was a possibility I was beat, but since I had the redraw I figure I had to lead out on the turn. Feel free to comment on the turn. I couldn't muster the craziness to reraise, so I just call. The river was a black 6, making the final board J7563. I checked, she bet, and since I just had to see it I called. She had pocket fours. And she didn't have the four of diamonds. Thereby, her only outs were 1 four and 3 sixes. My question is what is the appropriate thing to say to her as she is stacking my chips? She played so many hands and sucked out so many of them I felt a little needling might help to keep her from getting so out of line. Your thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] You played the hand terribly. Your thought process is also terrible.
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#5
10-13-2004, 03:41 PM
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Re: any good needle lines?
I appreciate the thoughts. What's the analysis? I'm trying to learn. Details please.
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#6
10-13-2004, 03:58 PM
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Re: any good needle lines?
Problems with this post in inverse order of importance:
3) No paragraphs; 2) You pick up an obvious strong-means-weak tell on the flop, and then completely forget about it on the turn; 1a) You appear to be emotionally impacted by the bad beat; 1b) As a result, you appear to want to discourage your opponent from playing stupidly.
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#8
10-13-2004, 04:21 PM
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Re: any good needle lines?
I think you definitely shouldve reraised preflop. First the reraise may get you heads up with an "inferior" player which is good agaisnt a hand you think you dominate. Secondly you probably have the best hand, so even if both limpers stick around pushing your equity is a good idea. I'd probably check-raise the flop here too, but I would probably reraise the turn, according to your analysis, I would think a hand like A4s, A5s, and indeed 44 are more likely here than a made hand considering your read. Of course when the river came I'd probably check and call, but you should've played the rest of the hand a lot more aggressively
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#9
10-13-2004, 05:07 PM
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Re: any good needle lines?
From the way it sounds you should have 3 bet preflop to get it heads-up. AJ preflop sounds like the nuts against this kind of raiser.
Mike Emery
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#10
10-13-2004, 05:42 PM
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Re: any good needle lines?
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I call with AJd. Normally, this is an instant muck for me, but since there is a very good chance I have her dominated I decide to gamble this time. [/ QUOTE ] You are playing way too tight in this situation (and probably others). This is a clear play (most likely a reraise) and many weaker hands are correct to play. Not as serious a problem as others pointed out but still a big leak. Pick up a good book or 2.
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