HU starting hand strengths

[well]

Could one of you please direct me to a site wich provides the probability of a tie/win/loss to all different two cards vs. two cards?
I would like the numbers to be rational, if that's possible.
I don't feel like typing each single combination into some calculator and copy-pasting the outcomes...

Thanks in advance.

[tw texas]

www.twodimes.net

[well]

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I don't feel like typing each single combination into some calculator and copy-pasting the outcomes...

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...and on this site I did not find anything useful besides the calculator I did not intend to use for this purpose.

Thanks anyway.

[Mike Haven]

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My guess is that no one else could have been bothered to do it either.

What use would such information be? Why do you need it? Maybe someone here could give you more relevant information or assistance if they knew a bit more about your base reasons for wanting such information.

[jaeon]

i know this isn't exactly what you're asking for....but you might find it more helpful than a hand against hand ranking. someone was kind enough to lead me to it in the beginners forum yesterday.

Percentage of Pots Won with Hold'em Hands

[well]

Let me fist point out that I do not consider future betting. Just preflop all-in situations.

My guess is, someone who is able to use the source code could easliy make such a matrix.

And the reason I would like to have that data is to find out what hands one should
move in with (short-stacked or versus a short stack) in the late stages of a tournament.
This is because I don't believe that "the top n% of hands possible" is the correct answer.
Same for calling.

Regards.

[Mike Haven]

i guessed that was what you really wanted

the point is that you don't know what the other person has, and therefore you only need to know that your hand will win against a random hand so many per cent (whatever you decide is your own risk point) of the time

the chart that jaeon pointed you to would give you that information

[sillyarms]

I was playing around with "The System" as outlined in TPFAP and I didn't like the simplified way the hand groupings were set up So I did monte carlo simulations of each possible hand vs. one player holding a range of S&M Group 1, and 2 hands. Which in a tournament are the kinds of hands I figure to get called with. Bear in mind this is just to get a rough idea and the numbers are off in a few spots but, here is what I came up with:

AA 83.3
KK 67.53
QQ 54.61
Aks 49.54
AKo 46.66
JJ 45.77
Aqs 40.26
TT 38.59
AQo 36.56
44 35.8
99 35.67
66 35.67
88 35.66
77 35.63
55 35.59
Ajs 35.45
33 34.6
22 33.97
KQs 33.63
A5s 33.12
Ats 32.86
A4s 32.69
A3s 32.63
A2s 32.16
A8s 32.11
A6s 32.11
A7s 32.01
A9s 31.92
QJs 31.56
Ajo 31.23
KJs 30.89
QTs 30.88
65s 30.74
54s 30.65
76s 30.54
JTs 30.44
87s 30.1
KTs 29.77
KQo 29.73
Q9s 29.69
T9s 29.62
A5o 29.48
J9s 29.45
86s 29.4
64s 29.4
75s 29.33
53s 29.18
Q8s 29.16
A4o 29.15
98s 29.12
T8s 28.86
A3o 28.84
J8s 28.83
K9s 28.77
K7s 28.77
97s 28.71
K6s 28.68
Ato 28.66
43s 28.58
K5s 28.55
A2o 28.52
85s 28.39
A8o 28.27
A7o 28.27
Q6s 28.26
T7s 28.25
Q5s 28.23
Q4s 28.17
96s 28.17
A6o 28.16
63s 28.15
K8s 28.06
Q7s 28.02
74s 27.99
A9o 27.98
J7s 27.67
K3s 27.66
Q3s 27.66
52s 27.64
QJo 27.63
K2s 27.6
65o 27.29
76o 27.28
Q2s 27.27
42s 27.26
J5s 27.23
K4s 27.21
T6s 27.12
32s 27.08
QTo 26.95
95s 26.89
54o 26.87
JTo 26.84
J6s 26.79
KJo 26.77
84s 26.72
73s 26.72
J2s 26.66
87o 26.64
J4s 26.42
62s 26.39
T5s 26.15
J3s 26.14
KTo 25.96
T4s 25.93
T9o 25.91
75o 25.79
J9o 25.71
86o 25.69
64o 25.69
Q9o 25.67
98o 25.57
53o 25.51
93s 25.49
97o 25.44
94s 25.42
T8o 25.36
43o 25.28
T3s 25.25
92s 25.22
83s 25.2
T2s 25.1
J8o 25.08
72s 25.01
82s 24.96
Q8o 24.94
K9o 24.73
K6o 24.71
Q6o 24.55
K8o 24.53
K7o 24.49
85o 24.49
63o 24.4
K5o 24.37
T7o 24.32
96o 24.3
74o 24.3
K4o 24.15
Q5o 24.12
Q7o 24.08
Q4o 24.05
J7o 24.02
52o 23.88
Q3o 23.74
42o 23.58
K3o 23.55
J5o 23.29
95o 23.28
Q2o 23.27
T6o 23.23
32o 23.18
J6o 23.17
K2o 23.08
84o 22.9
J4o 22.88
73o 22.81
62o 22.55
J3o 22.31
T5o 21.98
T4o 21.98
J2o 21.81
T3o 21.63
83o 21.61
94o 21.53
93o 21.48
82o 21.48
72o 21.22
T2o 21.07
92o 21.01

I'd really like a simulator that could give me the avg hand strength and hand potential on each street, but i'm dreaming.

silly

[well]

Ok, suppose we're playing some restricted version of poker.

Player I antes $1, player II antes $2.
Now player I has two options: fold or raise to say $n.
If player I chooses to do the latter, player II has option to fold or call.

Suppose player I has a strategy to raise with any two cards, and player II knows this.
Suppose player II calls any two cards with win probability p or higher.

Then the EV (expectation value) of player II would be -$2 when he folds.
And if he raises, the EV would be p*$n + (1-p)*-$n = (2p-1)*$n.
Now game theory dictates that p should be 1/2-1/n in order for the strategy to be optimal.

The appropriate hands could be found in the chart jaeon wrote about.

But whenever player I decides not to play all hands, these numbers are useless.
In order to find optimal strategies for both player additional information is needed.

And the table I am looking for yields exactly this information.

I hope this is clear.

Now something else: I remember a post of a couple of months ago which was about an algoritm for getting this kind of figures. The poster stated that he (or she) had came up with one that was really fast. I would like to have a detailed discription that I could work with.
So if anyone remembers who this was (or are you this person?), please reply.

Next Time.

[well]

Hi silly,

what approach did you use to compare hands? I have done it several times in the past, but since the number of simulations should be very large, an as fast as possible procedure to compare hands is very important.
Is yours fast? And if so, how do you do it?

Thanks.